Smoking pot as a fighter..

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  1. Broscientist

    Broscientist White Belt

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    Hello sherdog,

    Kinda new to this forum after lurking for a while.

    I'm a fighter myself and I used to not care about my training and smoke cigarettes, weed and also drink while preparing for a fight up until one or two days before the fight. I quit everything but still enjoy the occasional doobie.

    I was wondering how much of een effect smoking weed occasionally (e.g. after a tough workout to relax) can have on a fighters performance?
     
  2. French Canadian

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    Lots of professional fighters / athletes do it, so I wouldn't too much into it.
     
  3. RR010V

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    depends how serious you are about your training, I don't drink, don't smoke nor eat unhealthy foods.
     
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    I'd assume that inhaling anything that isn't oxygen would do more harm than good for your cardio.
     
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    I don't fight professionally, or even at the amateur level, but I did train MMA daily while smoking, dabbing, or vaping. Never before, only after.

    I really do not think it did anything to hinder my performance, but I never competed, so I will say that IT DEPENDS.

    Try it out.
     
  6. wrassle

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    your fine man hell i do heroin oxys percs and i fight professionaly ...maybe that's why i gased in 30 seconds in last fight
     
  7. Z28MARO

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    Mike Tyson, jon Jones, Michael Phelps, Diaz bros, and plenty of other guys smoke weed
     
  8. BerserkPanda

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    False, herb can help your cardio, instead of being a negative like tobacco where the smoke closes your lungs, herb on the other hand dialates and expands the lungs hence the beginners' smokers cough
     
  9. Pope Leo VII

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    no ones going to mention that the greatest olympic athlete throws down with a bong lol

    almost every fighter at the gym sparks up.

    personally I love blazing and going into training, granted I dont do it all that often, but on occasion it can be... interesting

    theres a reason that ELITE athletes in the NBA and NFL dance with the lovely mary jane. can confirm KG was smoking during his time in boston when he won a championship. two seasons ago lle'veon bell (best RB in the league) and my boy legarrette blount were busted smoking driving to a pre-season game
     
  10. RighteousWar

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    Lucifer must be wearing a parka right now...cuz you and I just agreed on something!
     
  11. llperez22

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    I always laugh when people use pro athletes smoking weed to defend its impact on the human body. Plenty of athletes also drink in excess and snort coke. Hell an Australian gymnast who just got kicked out of rio for drinking has a history of coke use. I dont think that means those things don't have a negative impact.
     
  12. Sano

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    Do you have any science to back this up?
     
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    smoking is bad for your stamina, but even bruce lee used weed and he's a legend so maybe edibles don't matter
     
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    There is a few things to add. There is still a lot of research to be done. I'll take a few example from the article you posted and other studies.

    The main study in the article was this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25521349

    They concluded: "In a large cross-section of U.S. adults, cumulative lifetime marijuana use, up to 20 joint-years, is not associated with adverse changes in spirometric measures of lung health. Although greater than 20 joint-years of cumulative marijuana exposure was associated with a twofold increased odds of a FEV1/FVC less than 70%, this was the result of an increase in FVC, rather than a disproportional decrease in FEV1 as is typically associated with obstructive lung diseases."

    Might seem like gibberish, but basicly obstructive lung disease is usually characterised by a FEV1/FVC ratio less than 0.7, or 70%. They claim that it was because an increase in FVC, but even then it's questionable. The study also don't mention the amount of people participating, and it was probably genpop. When I used to smoke, I smoked 2-4 joints a day easily. Which leads to this:

    "This association, however, was nonlinear: at higher exposure levels, we found a leveling off or even a reversal in this association, especially for FEV1. Although our sample contained insufficient numbers of heavy users to confirm a detrimental effect of very heavy marijuana use on pulmonary function, our findings suggest this possibility."

    In this other study linked in the article, it says: http://norml.org/news/2013/07/11/st...d-with-far-fewer-adverse-effects-than-tobacco

    "His review finds that although smoking cannabis may be associated with symptoms of chronic bronchitis, studies do not substantiate claims that it is positively associated with the development of lung cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema, or bullous lung disease."

    Again, symptoms of chronic bronchitis. He also noted:

    "That “evidence is mixed” when it comes to the carcinogenic properties of heavy, long-term use. He also notes that heavy smoking has been linked to a reduction in the amount of tiny hairs in the bronchial tubes, called cilia, which filter the air going to the lungs, as well as a loss in the antibacterial functions of the white blood cells present on the lungs’ alveoli — the tiny tree-like balloon structures that form the boundary between the airway and the blood stream."

    In these studies:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24384575
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21859273
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26836917

    There seem to be a clear link between smoking weed and inflammatory airways/bronchitis. Even some worse associations.

    It also has a lot to do with HOW you smoke and how much you smoke. Here in Europe, we use tobacco and hasish (condensed oiled form) together in one joint. Apparently that's even worse than doing each thing seperately: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23664286

    So, a lot of things to take into consideration. No doubt vaping is as good as it gets, and no doubt that it's a lot better than smoking tobacco. Dosage again is important. If you smoked 20 joints pr day as most cigarette smokers do tobacco , you would probably not feel to well.
     
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  16. Handa

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    The air you breathe is roughly 21% oxygen and 78% nitrogen.
     
  17. KILL KILL

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    fair enough. You know what I meant.
     
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    Great adds, I walk around 220 been smoking a pound a month since I got out of the military and can still run pft 3 miles under 20 min and run lsd 20 miles :) oh yeah I am super duper baked when I meditate and run
     
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  19. Lex Bigelow

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    I never fought since I was a kid but sometimes last winter I would go into the gym in the middle of the night extremely toasted and it felt like I almost hit the bag harder. I grew up mixing frisbee golf and lifting weights with weed all the time. the most interesting thing I did recently was try a set of heavy push presses around 185 to 205 while baked. Was fun. Right now I'm not working out tho. stupid knee's gotta get better.

    Right now I smoke about three quarters of an oz. a month.

    If I had money right now and my wife wasn't against it, I would smoke two ounces a month. it's a lot to me but not super heavy to some. The problem is always OVERtraining now tho, isn't it? I also have a nervous system problem, fibromyalgia and anxiety. I think cannabis is super therapuetic for all my crap. should probly vape dry herb tho. it's been sixteen years since I started and I go on breaks, the longest being about two years.
     
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    The best thing about MMA is that you have the opportunity to end a fight in the first round. If you sell out your cardio for power and go for the gusto, anything is possible!
     

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