Skin infections from jiu jitsu

Well Trader Joes isn't charging 6 times the price for a product that while it contains "Anti-etc" agents isn't actually "proven" to stop anything better than normal soaps since the primary cleaninsg property of them both is the physical bond breaking of the pathogens to your body.

Basically, practicing good hygiene is the best thing to do. If using a bar of soap thats 6 times more expensive to motivate you then fine. Its your money.

I won't go so far to call any of them "snake oil". But I work for a company in the skincare business. And after 10 years of knowing exatly what our products are and do. And looking at the outrageous price makeup we use by dropping some nifty catch phrases like" higher concentration than anyone else on the market". I am always very dubious about products like these.
 
krait,

You really need to check your math and if you work in the world of skin care you know that you get exactly what you pay for. Our bar is absolutely as premium of a bar as you can make with the highest quality oils available.

If you are saying that concentration has no effect on the effectiveness of a bar
 
I'm with Guy. It's the percentage of the active ingredients that makes the difference.

You look at some of the sports supplements like protein powders. The "good" brands put a much higher percentage of the "good" stuff in.

Some sell their powders "with creatine" for example- but the percentage of creatine they actually include is basically just enough to make it on the label and actually no practical use, in essense it is just for marketing purposes.

I'm much more wary of getting something like staph of ringworm since I started BJJ. In judo it's almost unheard of. My wife knew someone at her work who was always getting ringworm or some sort of infection from BJJ - plus the top10 staph infections thread (link in a previous post) scared the sh#t out of me. In addition I am rolling with a bloke who just had surgety on his leg to remove some veins because of aspreading staph infection.

I now carefully wash after training and am using an antibacterial handwash to wash down in the shower.

I also will look into some sort of cream to apply to open cuts and wounds after training.

And finally, I am looking at a full-sleeve rashie for further prevention.

A question for you, Guy - where do I buy this stuff in Australia? And a request; perhaps you could suggest some good general grapplers tips to avoid getting any sort of infection - aside from also using your product?
 
In the Shower

1. Do not lather directly under the flow of water. Allow soap to remain on skin momentarily.
2. Use a loofah (mesh sponge) but not too vigorously. Vigorous scrubbing will cause small abrasions to the surface of the skin allowing penetration by the sources of infection.
3. Wash the back of the neck and hairline thoroughly. The Collar Tie is responsible for the over abundance of skin infections found here. Our hands touch everything in the wrestling room including the mats, our bodies, our opponent’s body and anything else you might pick up. Everything collected by our hands is transferred to the back of our opponent’s neck. Wash this area twice.
4. Wear shower shoes. Athlete’s foot is caused by the same Tinea (fungus) that causes ringworm.
5. Do not share towels and wash towels after each use.
6. Dry off thoroughly.
7. Wear loose fitting clothes to allow your skin to breathe.

In the Gym

We also need to protect ourselves on the mats. We all know that the mats are a battlefield. They are a place we go to compete or to train and prepare for competition. Part of this preparation and training should include proper hygiene. Here are a few tips that can help in the room.

1. Carry your shoes to practice. When leaving the room for water or bathroom breaks wipe your shoes before entering back into the room. Shoes can be wiped on a towel dampened with solution from your bucket of mat cleaner. Wet the towel in the bucket before cleaning the mats.
2. Fighters who train barefoot should never walk on the floor without proper foot coverings.
3. The foot coverings should always be removed before entering the mats or ring.
4. Change your shirt often during practice. Once a shirt becomes soaked in sweat it becomes permeable. Your sweat becomes a vehicle for infections to pass through your clothing and onto your skin.
5. Wear a thick cotton t-shirt or clothing made of synthetic fibers that "wick" the sweat away from the body, helping to keep the skin dry.
6. When sitting on the wall do not play with the mats. Wrestlers often lean with their backs against the wall with their hands at their sides touching the edges of the mats along the wall. Take a look at what is in between the wall and the edge of the mat. When was the last time this area was cleaned and when was the last time your wall mats were cleaned?
7. Do not train with partners who have skin infections and do not train if you, yourself are infected.
8. Cover and treat any trauma to the skin including, cuts, scrapes, and new tattoos. New tattoos are the product of the skin being pierced literally thousands of times. Always apply an antibiotic ointment or healing salve before covering for added protection. Of course this is going to fall off during training and will have to be recovered.
9. When leaving the room always, always, always, consider yourself contaminated because you are. Shower immediately and properly. If a shower is not available use a body wipe to hold you over until you can shower.

Don't Forget The Equipment. Be sure to use Defense Sanitizer on the following items.

Having a clean room is also a necessity but a clean room is more then just mopping the mats. There are many more surfaces that we come in contact with other than floor mats. Consider cleaning the following:

1. Wall mats.
2. Takedown dummies. (Remove the clothing and launder it and wipe down vinyl surfaces.)
3. Throw dummies.
4. Crash pads or throw mats.
5. Fighters, wipe down your bags, bag gloves and your hands after wearing bag gloves.
6. Fungi like to live in damp and dark places. Make your room light and dry. A dehumidifier can pull moisture out of your room.
7. Battling skin infections is more then just topical. Diet can play a huge role in how healthy our skin is and healthy skin is harder to infect. Here are a few diet and skin care tips:
8. Keep your blood sugars under control. Aim for blood sugars of 80 mg/dl to 120 mg/dl before meals, and 100 mg/dl to 140 mg/dl at bedtime.
9. Keep your Hemoglobin A1c at 7% or less (a 3 month average blood sugar test). This prevents dry skin.
10. Drink eight glasses of water a day. Of course when cutting weight we all would love to have eight glasses of water however we just cannot do this. Applying lotion to the skin will help keep it moist.
11. Eat whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables and small amounts of lean protein rather then sugary or fat laden foods. Keep a balanced diet even when cutting back.
12. Rest to increase your body’s resistance. You will catch infections easier if you are worn down.
13. Once infected, proper care is required to rid you of the infection and promote healing.
14. Do not touch the infection. Wash your hands immediately if you do touch an infection.
15. Consult your trainer or physician with all possible infections. The sooner you treat an infection the less established it would be. The infection will be easier to clear up, creating less damage to the skin.
16. Use medicine completely and as recommended. The infection may still be present even though it may not be visible.
17. Use the proper medication for each infection. Using the wrong medicine my make the infection worse. An example of this is using cortisone creams on fugal infections, which help fungus grow.
18. Many of us train for hours a day for competition, some are coaches and some just want to stay in shape. Whatever reason we have to be on the mat or in the ring, we all share the common threat of skin infections. Preventing, treating and curing skin infections can be made easier with a little education on the topic.

Hope this helps,

Guy
Defense Soap
 
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Judogido,

We ship anywhere in the world. Seeing that you are down under your best bet would be to email me what you were looking to order then I would find the best possible option for shipping. The computer program we use for shipping is good but quite often I need to override it to find better shipping.

I can always be reached at [email protected]

I will post an article on your skin flora that I wrote for fighters and wrestlers tomorrow. I don't have the file on my home computer. The tips in the above post are pretty good though.

Guy
Defense Soap
 
Human Bender,

You have to check the amount of active ingredients. We have a full 2%. Most soaps you find in stores have a .1%. We are 20 times stronger. Plus we have the combination of TTO and EUO which provides a broader range of protection. Our soap is made in a FDA approved facility. That may not seem important but what that ensures is consistency.

Defense is active in the world of combat athletes. We donate 10s of thousands of dollars in cash and product right back into combat athletics. Does Trade Joe's do that?

Guy
Defense Soap

Do you have any data showing that the trader joes soap is 0.1% or are you just tossing numbers out? I have nothing bad to say about your product but $6 is a bit pricey for a bar of soap.
 
Do you have any data showing that the trader joes soap is 0.1% or are you just tossing numbers out? I have nothing bad to say about your product but $6 is a bit pricey for a bar of soap.



defence soap seems to be a proven product, a lot of people recommend it.
If it is only going to cost me $6 dollar a bar of soap to avoid staph infection i will gladly pay that. I just spent over $150 on antibiotics, doctor fees and creams because i have staph. Ill pay the $6 any day of the week.
 
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I said most TTO soaps are .1%. I am not sure what Trader Joe's is. Maybe somebody who buys it can let us know.

Guy
Defense Soap
 
krait,

You really need to check your math and if you work in the world of skin care you know that you get exactly what you pay for. Our bar is absolutely as premium of a bar as you can make with the highest quality oils available.

If you are saying that concentration has no effect on the effectiveness of a bar
 
Shoot me an email at [email protected] and we will send you a free sample. You can compare our soap to our competitors. We also put our money where our mouth is with a 100% money back guarantee.

Guy
Defense Soap

Who me?? NO THANK YOU! I cannot stand the smell of tea tree and it dries out the skin.

I'll stick to the abc products.
 
I swear, I think everyone on this forum hates anything having to do with capitalism, entrepreneurship or marketing.

krait you don't even know what you're talking about.
 
krait,

First let me thank you for allowing me to discuss this with you in an open forum. Awareness and education are exactly what is required to fight infections that plague combat athletes and a forum is the best way to do it. No one can hide behind a cheesy add or flippant comment. We all can be called out on what we say. We welcome this and that is why we responded to this thread originally.

I am new to Sherdog (actually new to posting on Sherdog but have been just a reader for years like most guys) as you read my threads over time you will come to find that we are serious combat athletes who truly care about protecting other combat athletes from avoidable infections. Our mission at Defense is to make athletes aware, educate them and provide them with quality products. We feel this is the necessary 3 prong attack to preventing skin infections. That is exactly the opportunity this thread has afforded me. We have talked about skin infections, we have posted some great prevention tips and we have sent some samples to guys from Sherdog who requested them. If they try the sample and become a customer then we feel we were successful.

Several years back while coaching the wrestling team that I still coach, we were clobbered by ringworm after ringworm. 100 plus cases ran through my club of about 100 kids. We were all getting it and we had to shut down for a few weeks to get it under control. This absolutely blew my mind that there was really nothing out there that was simple to use to prevent this from happening again. So I began looking into soaps and quickly learned the biggest lesson that all combat athletes need to learn about hygiene.

****Antibacterial soap create a better environment for fungus to grow on your skin****

When wrestlers or fighters train they shower 2 to 3 times a day. When you use a strong antibacterial soap (because you want to be clean and kill everything on your skin) you actually kill everything on your skin. Its called depleting your normal skin flora. Your normal skin flora is unique to you but it is made of up bacteria and fungus. The 2 battle on your skin for space to live. This battle keeps your skin healthy. When one side begins to win the battle an infection can occur. When you use antibacterial soap you are helping your bacteria lose the battle.

As combat athletes we place ourselves in an environment that is full of disease and, by nature of our sport, we do damage to our bodies...namely our skin. We have to clean our bodies of the bacteria and fungus that we picked up in training, but how do we do this without falling into the scenario described above? Answer....We use a soap that has anti bacterial and anti-fungal properties. Your $.99 bar of soap doesn't have those properties and that is why I created Defense. Defense is the first bar of soap created for the combat athlete.

As for the $6.00 price tag.

I am a Cleveland Policeman and a wrestling coach without a formal degree. After my eligibility was up for college wrestling I entered the police force without gaining my degree. Little did I know that 16 years later I would create a soap that would be sold around the world to who I believe are the greatest athletes on the planet.

My point, and I know I am rambling, is that I am a blue collar stiff who who values every penny in his pocket like the rest of us. I believe that you should get what you pay for. I have had cost analysis companies come in and tell me that Defense should be sold as a premium bar and that I would get more quality customers with a higher perceived value. When I actually figured out what they were saying I explained that I needed to keep my soap as affordable as possible to get it into the hands of my market. Most fighters and wrestlers do not come from silver spoon homes.

So from scratch I researched and developed this bar, had it produced, branded it, marketed it, pay my employees and fulfill each order for $5.99 a bar. Of course when you order multiple bars this price quickly drops to $5.50 a bar. We have not had a price increase in 2 years and we are constantly finding ways to keep the price the same even when our costs go up. This is achieved through learning how to run a company which is an ongoing process for us here at Defense.

Finally I think it important to know that I do not draw a salary from Defense. What would be my salary goes right back into the community of the combat athlete. We sponsor many fighters, events and tournaments.

I can assure you at Defense you do get what you pay for.

Guy
Defense Soap
 
I swear, I think everyone on this forum hates anything having to do with capitalism, entrepreneurship or marketing.

krait you don't even know what you're talking about.

What are you talking about? I never said anything about being against anyone making a buck. My comments were for people to at least try to be an educated consumer. I have nothing against Defense Soap. But people( and by people mean you apparently) can get sucked into buying things just by a nifty tag line or by taking advantage of a ignorance.

But if your idea of " capitalism, entrepreneurship or marketing" is to just blindly buy into whatever a commercial tells you. Then your are right I am against it.
 
Defense Soap

I would like to clarify something. I never intend to say or insinuate that your product is a fraud. If I did I truely apologize. My intention was to point out that just buying a anti-etc type soap does not give the user a sudden bullet proof solution to picking up a skin disease.

I've picked up some skin infections in the past from training and scoured every resource I could find to learn more about it. I am a clean freak and it drove me crazy knowing that I had picked up a disease form someone and and really wnated to know how to not every let it happen again.
 
that was big of you. my apologies if I came off like a jerk, krait
 
:icon_neut blatant uninformed hate.



sucks for you, but I can see now why you're mad.

First maybe you should do some research on the many brands of so called "Anti Bacterial" products.

I will say however Defense Soap appears to be one of the most reputable of them out there. But there are others that sell products that simply don't do anything at all. Any gel soap that has alcohol in it can be technically called antibacterial. Doesn't mean it will do a thing for you.

And as for working for a skincare company. Well considering I'm the IT director, I don't really care if we sold skincare products or tire irons. But it does give an insight into marketing strategies for this area.
 
Thanks. I can appreciate that. It seems we are making the same point. Awareness, education and proper hygiene product.

Guy
Defense Soap
 
First maybe you should do some research on the many brands of so called "Anti Bacterial" products.

I will say however Defense Soap appears to be one of the most reputable of them out there. But there are others that sell products that simply don't do anything at all. Any gel soap that has alcohol in it can be technically called antibacterial. Doesn't mean it will do a thing for you.

I see. But isn't what we are really fighting fungus and not bacteria??

And as for working for a skincare company. Well considering I'm the IT director, I don't really care if we sold skincare products or tire irons. But it does give an insight into marketing strategies for this area.

No offense, but technology =/= chemistry. Or even marketing for that matter. Anyway, no hard feelings. Cheers.
 
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