Simple Judo Throws for BJJ

[goatfury]

https://howtheyplay.com/individual-sports/3-Judo-Throws-for-BJJ

Judo is an excellent complimentary art for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ), and one from which BJJ was created originally. However, there is a disconnect between sport judo techniques and sport BJJ techniques; some throws put you in a very vulnerable position when you hit the ground, and others allow your opponent to reverse the position and come up on top after the throw, even if it would have been ruled an "ippon" (instant win) in sport judo. Here, we'll take a look at three relatively safe throws to use for BJJ competition, and discuss briefly why the transition to the ground can be successful with these particular options.

 

[Foxflechette57]

Nice

 

[CFGroup]

Shit man I have some great links for that in my desktop. I'm rehabbing from hip surgery and on shitty tablet board as fuck of Netflix.

Grip fighting IQ is a great way to advantage yourself to setups throws against unskilled standup guys.

Osoto's, Uchi's, Seoi's, to half or side...Tons of tricky little Ashi Waza trips for weak balanced BJJ guys.

There's some good hip Koshi's but turning your back's risky with good backpacks.

There's some guy's here that can give you chapter and verse, I only supplemented my training with BJJ and am focused on neutralizing them rather than going into their area of advantage.

But grips, grps, grips to get to some cool throws.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

BJJ during standup phase has much less gripping restrictions. I say something without the stringent gripping rules of judo will probably be even better.

 

[RJ Green]

BJJ during standup phase has much less gripping restrictions. I say something without the stringent gripping rules of judo will probably be even better.

well, you've now got 45 seconds to set up grips before we can shido you for that, and there are basically no gripping restrictions providing you're actively engaging/attacking. the ref committee realizes that most people don't want to see a 5 minute match of pattycake and people getting yelled at in Japanese.

there's also still a very vocal group of people who want to bring back leg grabs. i personally zealously advocate for this for a number of reasons:

1. it's a natural reaction for anyone with a modicum of grappling

2. it's a major component of the judo canon and disincentivizes people spamming reachy leg throws. i don't want to take away from Teddy Riner, but a huge reason he's been so dominant (aside from being a massive athlete and really fucking good) is that he's never had to worry about leg grabs.

3. the initial purpose of judo, among other things, was to be a complete grappling art. now you've had almost a decade (generation) of folks who've never learned to sprawl, never learned to ankle pick, and as far as i'm concerned never really learned to grapple. Kano advocated that the jiujitsu/judo man should be able to submit any wrestler or boxer he faced.

that said, judo gripfighting works for a reason, especially in jammies.

 

[Russky]

@goatfury , your selection is great, but I'd change initial setup for the throws. BJJ = bent over + stiff arms. It might very difficult to set up your throws with a standard collar/sleeve judo grip. I'd change that to belt/sleeve which is easy to obtain on bjj guys:

Then work on hip throw ko-uchi and hip throw tani otoshi combination. If we do not limit that to 3 throws I'd add sumi gaeshi as leg grab counter, yoko otoshi, uchi mata, and simple dragging down to back take.

 

[ArtemV]

Another ashi waza technique to add is a tsuri komi ashi/hiza guruma: both techniques require practice, but a majority of guys I have faced in bjj don't have a grasp of posture/stand up in general - even at brown belt (my level). If some guys are reaching too far and over-committing (not an unusual occurrence) you can take a step to the side and block their shin that is being pulled towards you. I also like to fake the sode tsurikomi goshi, but as the uke lowers their hips, you can get a very easy kouchi gare.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

@goatfury , your selection is great, but I'd change initial setup for the throws. BJJ = bent over + stiff arms. It might very difficult to set up your throws with a standard collar/sleeve judo grip. I'd change that to belt/sleeve which is easy to obtain on bjj guys:

Then work on hip throw ko-uchi and hip throw tani otoshi combination. If we do not limit that to 3 throws I'd add sumi gaeshi as leg grab counter, yoko otoshi, uchi mata, and simple dragging down to back take.

In that picture, is it not better to grab sleeve of the near arm/hand? That way, you control that arm/hand, and prevent him from using that arm/hand from defending. You can then get your hips even closer. The arm/hand being grapped in the picture cannot reach over and defend if you are on the opposite side.

 

[RJ Green]

nah. you're already using the belt to lift and your body to block that arm. you need the hand where it is so you can lead their balance out over their toes and turn their shoulders once they're airborne

 

[Kbits]

Wots a tane otoshi?

Funny how Judo for BJJ resembles "judo done by busted up old judoka". Tani otoshi, tsuri-goshi, yoko tomoe, kosotos etc are all mainstay throws for me. I like to bust out a te-gurma from time to time too, just to shit one of my training partners who claims I pinch his balls when I do it

I was teaching some nice options off the double wrist control / sleeve grip last night, using an armdrag. Lots of options for footsweeps, tanis, hip throws, re-drags to ippon seoi and tani etc.

 

[winterbike]

Can't throw me if I'm already sitting on my ass

 

[ArtemV]

Can't throw me if I'm already sitting on my ass

Lol, so true.. this is quite annoying, but it is always quite fun trying it against overzealous grapplers.

 

[Russky]

Can't throw me if I'm already sitting on my ass

IBJJF has a rule on that; unfortunately, it is not strictly enforced:

Lack of combativeness (stalling) is defined by one athlete clearly not pursuing positional progression in a match and also when an athlete impedes his/her opponent from carrying out said progression.

My understanding that you still have to get a grip before dropping on your butt. If I know that your goal to drop down I'd try to fake de ashi or kosoto gari to make it look like takedown. Against guard pullers all one need is to circle around.

 

[Kbits]

Can't throw me if I'm already sitting on my ass

About how many dollars would you be willing to bet on that proposition?

One of the drills we practice at judo (as a warmup) is pulling guys back to their feet and throwing them. It's hard work but possible.

 

[goatfury]

well, you've now got 45 seconds to set up grips before we can shido you for that, and there are basically no gripping restrictions providing you're actively engaging/attacking. the ref committee realizes that most people don't want to see a 5 minute match of pattycake and people getting yelled at in Japanese.

there's also still a very vocal group of people who want to bring back leg grabs. i personally zealously advocate for this for a number of reasons:

1. it's a natural reaction for anyone with a modicum of grappling

2. it's a major component of the judo canon and disincentivizes people spamming reachy leg throws. i don't want to take away from Teddy Riner, but a huge reason he's been so dominant (aside from being a massive athlete and really fucking good) is that he's never had to worry about leg grabs.

3. the initial purpose of judo, among other things, was to be a complete grappling art. now you've had almost a decade (generation) of folks who've never learned to sprawl, never learned to ankle pick, and as far as i'm concerned never really learned to grapple. Kano advocated that the jiujitsu/judo man should be able to submit any wrestler or boxer he faced.

that said, judo gripfighting works for a reason, especially in jammies.

What's funny to me is that I did judo before doing BJJ, and did it consistently for over ten years. Yet what I use judo for 99% of the time is... you guess it, dominating grips on the ground!

 

[goatfury]

@goatfury , your selection is great, but I'd change initial setup for the throws. BJJ = bent over + stiff arms. It might very difficult to set up your throws with a standard collar/sleeve judo grip. I'd change that to belt/sleeve which is easy to obtain on bjj guys:

Then work on hip throw ko-uchi and hip throw tani otoshi combination. If we do not limit that to 3 throws I'd add sumi gaeshi as leg grab counter, yoko otoshi, uchi mata, and simple dragging down to back take.

I think something along those lines would make an excellent follow up. I certainly favor a belt grip (southpaw, too!) and uchimata/sumi gaeshi/ko uchi, but this can take a while for people to get the hang of without giving up underhooks, etc.

 

[goatfury]

Wots a tane otoshi?

Funny how Judo for BJJ resembles "judo done by busted up old judoka". Tani otoshi, tsuri-goshi, yoko tomoe, kosotos etc are all mainstay throws for me. I like to bust out a te-gurma from time to time too, just to shit one of my training partners who claims I pinch his balls when I do it

I was teaching some nice options off the double wrist control / sleeve grip last night, using an armdrag. Lots of options for footsweeps, tanis, hip throws, re-drags to ippon seoi and tani etc.

I resemble the remark (of being a busted up old judoka).

 

[RJ Green]

IMHO "old judoka" and "busted up" are synonymous terms

 

[Kbits]

I just broke a toe tonight, 2 minutes into the warmup, ffs

 

[Italianissimo]

I honestly think that Sambo and Wrestling are way far better than Judo
for stand up BJJ