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Silva or GSP? Here we go again...

The Natural Born Runner said:
I've very well aware that this is the age-old discussion and debate in the barbershop of Sherdog.

But, hey... hey we go again!

I've been having a debate with @Perrichet on another "GSP return" related post I made, and I wanted to open it up to the wider audience.

So, who is better? Anderson "The Spider" Silva or Georges "Rush" St. Pierre?

Some simple number/fact breakdowns below, of some categories that I think are important.

Fights - Silva 41 / GSP 27
Career start date - Silva June 97' / GSP January 02'
Wins - Silva 33 / GSP 25
Finishes - Silva 26 / GSP 13
KO/TKO's - Silva 20 / GSP 8
Submissions - Silva 6 / GSP 5
Times lost via finish - Silva 4 / GSP 2
Times lost via KO/TKO - Silva 2 / GSP 1
Times lost via Submission - Silva 2 / GSP 1
Longest win streak - Silva 17 / GSP 12
Length of career in years - Silva 19 / GSP 11

Below are some subjective choices for top 5, most difficult and notable wins for both man:

Silva:

Dan Henderson - Round 2 - submission / Side notes: Title fight to unite PRIDE and UFC titles.
Chael Sonnen I - Round 5 - submission / Side notes: Perennially listed as the best comeback/submission of all time.
Vitor Belfort - Round 1 - KO / Side notes: One of the best KO's of all time, was billed to be Silva's toughest fight.
Rich Franklin I - Round 1 - KO / Side notes: Second UFC fight, KO's long reigning champ in under 3 minutes.
Hayato Sakurai - UD / Side notes: First time Sak ever lost. Anderson winning 168lb title.

Honorable mentions: Leben KO in 0:49, Newton Flying Knee KO, Fryklund back elbow uppercut KO, Franklin Knee KO the second time, Griffin matrix KO, Okami matrix KO.

GSP:

Jake Shields - UD / Side notes: Billed to be his best match-up ever. Borefest, 2 judges scored it 3-2. Pretty close.
Nick Diaz - UD / Side notes: Super dominant performance. Borefest, no action. 90% wrestling for 25 minutes.
BJ Penn II - Round 4 - TKO / Side notes: Great dominant win over long term rival. Caught greasing.
Matt Hughes II - Round 2 - TKO / Side notes: Fantastic win to gain his first UFC title. Beat the former WW GOAT.
Fitch - UD / Side notes: Dominant 5 round beating over perennial top 2 contender.

Honorable mentions: UD over Condit after knee surgery, elbows over Sherk, jabbed the faced off of Koscheck, beating Alves whilst tearing groin, Hughes armbar revenge to take the GOAT title.

My vote is Anderson Silva.

What about you guys?
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You lost me at "caught greasing". Andy greases more with the way he wipes it off his face and spreads it around his body. How can anyone think that the fingertip sized dot of grease that Phil Nurse put on his back had any practical effect?
 
GSP is better. Beaten better competition, didn't have a glaring weakness to the point where he was getting dominated or troubled by one dimensional wrestlers like Sonnen, has less losses and didn't test positive for PED's.

You forgot - Times lost by decision: Anderson 2 / GSP 0
 
I would have said silva a few years back but leaning more towards GSP now. He left on top (i did score that fight for hendricks though)

And OP should highlight losses as much as wins. Should have condit in GSP's top. That gives GSP an edge imo. A lot fewer losses and a better top 5.

Silva was better stylistically, more finishes, more impressive. But he also has the asterisk to his name.
 
Pff c'mon TS you know the majority will pick GSP, most sherdoggers are part of the team " Anderson was on PED's his whole career" because he failed one time.
 
Turf Skirmish said:
You lost me at "caught greasing". Andy greases more with the way he wipes it off his face and spreads it around his body. How can anyone think that the fingertip sized dot of grease that Phil Nurse put on his back had any practical effect?
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So why did they change the cornermen rules for all UFC fights after this event?
 
Sirwastealot said:
I would have said silva a few years back but leaning more towards GSP now. He left on top (i did score that fight for hendricks though)

And OP should highlight losses as much as wins. Should have condit in GSP's top. That gives GSP an edge imo. A lot fewer losses and a better top 5.

Silva was better stylistically, more finishes, more impressive. But he also has the asterisk to his name.
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You and others keep mentioning that he lost more fights like he wasn't fighting 8 more years that Georges.
 
Perrichet said:
GSP is better. Beaten better competition, didn't have a glaring weakness to the point where he was getting dominated or troubled by one dimensional wrestlers like Sonnen, has less losses and didn't test positive for PED's.

You forgot - Times lost by decision: Anderson 2 / GSP 0
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GSP 1 ;)

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GSP, I think he was constantly facing top competition bar Dan Hardy. His style was boring as fuck though during the second half of his UFC Career.
 
The Natural Born Runner said:
You and others keep mentioning that he lost more fights like he wasn't fighting 8 more years that Georges.
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Then should we also ignore the extra wins. Just look at the overall record and it gives you a good picture either way.

33-7 vs 25 -2

More wins, a lot more losses. Also the fact that GSP avenged both his losses.
 
It's GSP.
Beat better competition in their primes.
He lost in his prime but avenged both his losses in such a convincing way,he left no doubts.
Silva got beat up and dominated by Sonnen over 5+ rounds over 2 fights and needed a mistake to beat him twice.


Finishes shouldn't be a measure in comparison.
GSP's opponents were tough to both submit and knockout.

And GSP did it without steroids.
 
NightwingBJJ said:
GSP, I think he was constantly facing top competition bar Dan Hardy. His style was boring as fuck though during the second half of his UFC Career.
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As much as I agree with you, so did Anderson.

Who did Anderson duck? He beat them all, it's just that MW didn't have the household names that WW did.

Like is Alves anymore impressive than Maia? or Marquardt?

Is Koscheck anymore impressive than Okami?

Is Condit anymore impressive than moving up 20lbs and fighting a top 3 LHW at the time?

I dunno man...
 
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Sirwastealot said:
Then should we also ignore the extra wins. Just look at the overall record and it gives you a good picture either way.

33-7 vs 25 -2

More wins, a lot more losses. Also the fact that GSP avenged both his losses.
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So what if he avenged the losses. What do we expect? Silva to go and hunt down Chonan and ask for a rematch?

By the way Silva has 8 more wins than GSP and only 5 more losses, dunno if you can do math but thats a +3 advantage.

Silva >
 
The Natural Born Runner said:
I don't know if you're dumb, but the guy with the brain trauma is on the left also. The one that loses spots in time and believes he got abducted by aliens.
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Exactly, the winner.

So where this 1 decision loss for GSP comes from I don't know. Glad you actually know who's who though
 
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