Should they start cutting fighters after every event?

[Killer Kadoogan]

Yeah but they can't really do anything like that again because of the anti-trust lawsuit.

Say if they want AJ McKee, it's not as simple as just taking him if he's under contract.

they dont want AJ McKee, or else he would already be in the UFC. + all of those fighters go through negotiations like any other org. the name UFC is already synonymous with greatness, the average dolt has no clue who AJ McKee is, so it always works to UFC's advantage. You know this man.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

they dont want AJ McKee, or else he would already be in the UFC. + all of those fighters go through negotiations like any other org. the name UFC is already synonymous with greatness, the average dolt has no clue who AJ McKee is, so it always works to UFC's advantage. You know this man.

Sure but there's no way they could consistently have the top 20 fighters in the world under that system and new fighters are going to find it very difficult going from fighting guys outside the top 50 straight to the top level dudes.

 

[kingmob6]

Dana can add another contender series fighters at 10/10k to fill the roster, don't worry sherbros

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Sure but there's no way they could consistently have the top 20 fighters in the world under that system and new fighters are going to find it very difficult going from fighting guys outside the top 50 straight to the top level dudes.

they lie to this day and say the best are fighting for them right now. lol. most of their champs were ex pride fc and strikeforce. Jiri came from rizin. there are no homegrown UFC fighters that rise through the ranks. historically they always come from other organizations. it is impossible to have the monopoly on fighters, and is much easier for UFC to offer money to other organization fighters.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

they lie to this day and say the best are fighting for them right now. lol. most of their champs were ex pride fc and strikeforce. Jiri came from rizin. there are no homegrown UFC fighters that rise through the ranks. historically they always come from other organizations. it is impossible to have the monopoly on fighters, and is much easier for UFC to offer money to other organization fighters.

Well yeah the only fighter to debut in the UFC in the last 10 years is CM Punk. The issue is if you let other promotions have the marketable young talent what happens if they market them well and eat into your market share?

 

[jeff7b9]

The promotion has been diluted to the point that the first half of every card, maybe 2/3 of some fight nights is regional MMA with UFC branding.

They have taken a "quantity over quality" business model and it won't change without the entire organization changing ownership.

 

[jeff7b9]

The UFC should be a lean top 25 only in each division, with a few exceptions for established fighters on their way out. They should have a development league which should be a glorified regional, but the guys should be elite and paid well in the top 25.

This would never happen though, as the business model for tuned for the ESPN meat grinder.

The UFC "development league" is

DWTNCS
TUF
Early Prelims


Personally I liked it better when the UFC snatched up fighters that won regional titles or finished their contract in a decent rival promotion, but since the UFC bought out all the rival promotions amd has to fill cards every weekend for espn we are stuck with this.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The UFC "development league" is

DWTNCS
TUF
Early Prelims


Personally I liked it better when the UFC snatched up fighters that won regional titles or finished their contract in a decent rival promotion, but since the UFC bought out all the rival promotions amd has to fill cards every weekend for espn we are stuck with this.

They've always had some shitty fighters in the prelims tbh, they just have more shows now.

 

[Paladin]

Fighters that are on two or three fight losing streaks should be cut on the spot if they lose again. With roughly 700 fighters they need to start trimming the fat fast and furious style. Stop keeping the dead weight around. I think it could add excitement and push the fighters to perform if they know their job is on line.

What do you think? I say off with their heads..

Damn who pissed you off lol.

 

[jeff7b9]

They've always had some shitty fighters in the prelims tbh, they just have more shows now.

Not always. Back in the 2000s when they did one card a month most of those cards were pretty fuckin stacked.

But the company got bigger, started doing more non PPV cards and lots of international cards. They would sign regional level talent to promote the international cards to the locals and those guys held onto spots.

WMMA added a plethora of dead weight

TUF added a bunch of talented fighters but also some Cody McKenzies, same for the international TUF like tuf Latin America 1,2,3.
You got Yair but also quite a few

The bigger the roster gets the more non elite fighters they take on.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Not always. Back in the 2000s when they did one card a month most of those cards were pretty fuckin stacked.

But the company got bigger, started doing more non PPV cards and lots of international cards. They would sign regional level talent to promote the international cards to the locals and those guys held onto spots.

WMMA added a plethora of dead weight

TUF added a bunch of talented fighters but also some Cody McKenzies, same for the international TUF like tuf Latin America 1,2,3.
You got Yair but also quite a few

The bigger the roster gets the more non elite fighters they take on.

I wouldn't say the percentage is much lower really, I think people tend to have selective memories and forget that people like Ricardo Funch, Eddie Sanchez, Justin McCully, Johnny Rees etc etc used to be on UFC cards.

 

[jeff7b9]

I wouldn't say the percentage is much lower really, I think people tend to have selective memories and forget that people like Ricardo Funch, Eddie Sanchez, Justin McCully, Johnny Rees etc etc used to be on UFC cards.

Nah man. The percentage is WAY different.

(And I already know I need to change my phone)

 

[MMAElite4]

100% they should. It will give these low level fighters more urgency to finish fights and us fans better fights.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Nah man. The percentage is WAY different.

(And I already know I need to change my phone)

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They did used to put together a more solid 5 fight main card name wise back then than they do now, I guess because the other main card fights are now fight night main events.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

I say fire them in the ring. I love the sound of a KO’d can waking up to a pink slip

 

[Prologue]

TS is UFC Roster Watch confirmed.

 

[Redando]

It should be turned around. winning and losing should have consequences for the rankings.
As long as this is not the case. Why should you cut people?
There is a fighter who has been in the top 15 ranking for more than five years without even winning a fight in that weight division.

They should first start taking winning and losing serious before they even start to think about cutting people.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Well yeah the only fighter to debut in the UFC in the last 10 years is CM Punk. The issue is if you let other promotions have the marketable young talent what happens if they market them well and eat into your market share?

no other US organization has been able to successfully market young talent and they sure as hell are not eating into the UFC's market share. UFC is synonymous with gold, championship, "the best." that is not changing when the average joe does not watch PFL, bellator, LFA, what other regional acronym that tries for attention.

 

[jeff7b9]

They did used to put together a more solid 5 fight main card name wise back then than they do now, I guess because the other main card fights are now fight night main events.

The whole thing changed over time.
It was a series of small steps, most having to do with international expansion.

If you go from a roster of 100 to a roster of 700, the quality is going to drop, same with going from 10 events a year to 50.

I'm old. I remember when a fight card would come out and I would know close to every fighter on the card, or at minimum one of the fighters in a bout.

2005 or so, if you followed the sport, the entire UFC roster was basically the guys that currently fill up the history books. Matt Hughes and Chuck Liddell fought on every other card. Prelims would be guys like Shonie Carter, Chris Lytle, Karo, Din Thomas.

Also if you look at the cards, it was often 8-10 fights. I think the recent Aussie card had 15.

Different era. Back then we complained that we're no cards for another month, but the events were solid and worth the wait and there was a lot of talent in other orgs to fill in between.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Fighters that are on two or three fight losing streaks should be cut on the spot if they lose again. With roughly 700 fighters they need to start trimming the fat fast and furious style. Stop keeping the dead weight around. I think it could add excitement and push the fighters to perform if they know their job is on line.

What do you think? I say off with their heads..

On the spot?

No, fuck that.

Some guy who loses a fight doesn't need to be humiliated while he's concussed.

What you're asking for is this:

And Phoenix is a baddy here. That should inform your opinion.