Should I go with Ross Enamaits stuff or Joel Jamieson for conditionING?

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I'm thinking about purchasing Joel Jamieson's "Ultimate" pack (The book, bioforce heart rate monitor, and Blueprint CD) but I'm not sure if it's worth the purchase.

So, what's recommended? And please explain your experience and the effectiveness of each guys style has on competitive performance.

Keep in mind I'm training for competition not just recreationally
 
Well I have a lot of Ross' stuff and if you follow the programs you will certainly be better conditioned. The difference with the package that Joel is offering is that the HRV gives you a way to track your body's response to the workouts to determine the effort you should be working at or even if you need a rest day. Kinda a work smarter not harder approach is how I look at it.

I haven't used Joel's HRV but I just listen to my body. If I feel I need a rest day I take it, I don't need the numbers to tell me that. However, I'm not a pro athlete so take that into account.

Joel's MMA conditioning book is great and so are Ross' so you probably can't go wrong.
 
dat1978 said:
Well I have a lot of Ross' stuff and if you follow the programs you will certainly be better conditioned. The difference with the package that Joel is offering is that the HRV gives you a way to track your body's response to the workouts to determine the effort you should be working at or even if you need a rest day. Kinda a work smarter not harder approach is how I look at it.

I haven't used Joel's HRV but I just listen to my body. If I feel I need a rest day I take it, I don't need the numbers to tell me that. However, I'm not a pro athlete so take that into account.

Joel's MMA conditioning book is great and so are Ross' so you probably can't go wrong.
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Appreciate your intake. Thanks.
 
dat1978 said:
Well I have a lot of Ross' stuff and if you follow the programs you will certainly be better conditioned. The difference with the package that Joel is offering is that the HRV gives you a way to track your body's response to the workouts to determine the effort you should be working at or even if you need a rest day. Kinda a work smarter not harder approach is how I look at it.

I haven't used Joel's HRV but I just listen to my body. If I feel I need a rest day I take it, I don't need the numbers to tell me that. However, I'm not a pro athlete so take that into account.

Joel's MMA conditioning book is great and so are Ross' so you probably can't go wrong.
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I'm curious. What does Joel cover in his book? What can I get from his book vs Ross's?
 
You don't need books to get into awesome shape. Stop making a bigger deal out of all of this than it really is and go do some training.

Running is free, jumprope a cost 5 dollars, I'm sure you can do push-ups and find something to do pull-ups on while you figure out how to get the $$$ for a gym membership.
 
Dan O said:
Solid troll work.
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Well, the premise is so stupid. So not as solid as efforts in the past. A good troll will start out as a reasonable member of the community, and integrate themselves properly. Then gradually stir shit up in little ways while learning the lay of the land. Long-standing e-feuds can then be exploited while small errors are made in threads that can be easily explained away. Over time, numerous threads, discussions and conversations can all be FUBAR'd while the illusion of innocence can be maintained.

You know you are old when you are writing a post that is essentially "You think this is trolling? Back in my day . . . "


fml
 
I see your point. In comparison to the real deal its a bit lazy.

But by modern SD standards, he's putting in a lot of work. Refraining from personal attacks mostly, making the OP sound not too outrageous, etc...
 
You should have been around for the early days of usenet. Holy hell some seriously fucked up shit was done. Particularly to people who did not know how to hide their IP. 4chan still cannot come close to screwing up people's lives the way it was done then. I know of one guy who pissed off a group so bad that after he was publicly humiliated, he wound up moving.

Some people really had a work ethic.

Now, all everybody does is just say stupid shit, bitch, post seeking validation instead of information and post pics of cats, for some reason.
 
What sport would you consider starting - an intensely physical sport requiring not only a high degree of skill but a wide range of skills - would you possibly consider taking up at age 25 with no previous experience and thinking you could do it professionally?
 
To be fair, MMA is probably one of the sports where you'd have the best chance to actually succeed (obviously he's trolling tho).

For xample, I'm not sure when he started training exactly but.. Scott Holtzman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Holtzman
Pro debut at 29, ammy debut at 27 and it says he 'began his professional career' in 2009, which would make him 26 when he started training seriously (I assume that's what it means anyway).

And he's in the UFC now. Obviously he had athletic experience tho (football, baseball, ice hockey).
 
Agreed, unless OP was VERY successful at collegiate sports that are competitive prior (football, basketball, etc). Like successful enough that if he told us his name, we'd look it up and go "oh fuck, Division I All-American, never mind, you do you man).

However, if he was, I doubt he'd have as many questions about how to get in shape.
 
This thread made me smile. Fun commentary on the art of trolling.

On the assumption that someone seriously wanting to find more info on the two trainers in the OP, and they google stumble across this thread, I'll say this;

You can go buy the following from Rosstraining.com for little money relative to the massive amount of info you're getting.

Untapped Strength (Focu on lower arm/ wrist/ hand strength $9.25)
Low-tech High Effect Core training ($12.95)
Sandbag Training ($12.95)
Jump rope conditioning for athletes ($12.95)
Full throttle Conditioning ($12.95)
Never Gymless ($11.95)
Infinite Intensity ($11.95)

(I know this because I purchased a bunch of it recently and had my receipt in my email).

Ross is also a standup guy. He will answer questions via email and help you fine tune your program if you aren't clear on some topics in the material.

Plus, for me personally, it's nice to get info from someone who walks the walk. If you've ever watched his vids, the guy is a beast. His personal strength and conditioning is no joke.

If HRV is something you're interested in, than Joel seems to have done some good research on it. For me, I found that ithlete was a much, much less expensive barrier to entry ($40-$60 HRV monitor + free app, or $5 a month for pro app) then I discovered some very good free apps as well.

I do like using a heart rate monitor, and Joel has done some good research and analysis on using one for MMA/combat sports. HRV is cool but I've found that in most cases, I'm pretty accurate in gauging how the app will rate my "readiness". As stated above, you can and should get familiar enough with your training response to know when you need to tone it down or take a break.
 
k831 said:
If HRV is something you're interested in, than Joel seems to have done some good research on it. For me, I found that ithlete was a much, much less expensive barrier to entry ($40-$60 HRV monitor + free app, or $5 a month for pro app) then I discovered some very good free apps as well.
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Joel Jamieson's material isn't just about measuring heart rate though. He shows you how to put together a complete, periodized programme that addresses all the aspects of conditioning in a logical and sequenced fashion.

I am now aware of whether Ross has trained any high-level MMA fighters, but Joel certainly has, and he is known for all his fighters having incredible conditioning as a result of his work. That is even more of a plus than the trainer himself being a great physical specimen.

However, Joel's material probably isn't relevant for TS. On the one hand, in Ultimate MMA Conditioning, he doesn't give you any cookie-cutter programmes, he gives you principles and an overall template, which you need to adapt yourself. On the other hand, his approach is really for a pretty well-conditioned fighter who needs to kick it up a notch or two and also prep for a fight.
 
Also, a principle based outline with no cookie cutter template is probably not ideal for someone who had to had to spend the whole time deciding how/where to train in the first place before actually starting anything.
 
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