Should Conor Be Stripped?

The Natural Born Runner said:
Being the figurehead of the Irish MMA market doesn't mean any rulebook that ever existed on how "things work" gets thrown out of the car window for him.
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Preferential treatment for 'needle movers' means it can, and it will. Just wait and see.
 
Yes he should,Jose pulled out as u said and was not playing around for bigger payday.whatever the reason Jose had at that time doesnt matter.u can not play around like this,if u do,than u should give the belt back.can u imagine how disrespectfull this is for all FW fighters ? They dont have any reason to fight these days.because the title holder will never defend his title
 
He has a year to defend the title. He won it in December. He has until December to defend it before I'd say strip him of it.
 
Bob Sagat said:
Preferential treatment for 'needle movers' means it can, and it will. Just wait and see.
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Was GSP, Silva, Jones or Brock ever given preferential treatment?

If so, examples?

Dana has only ever bashed the hell out of the middle 2, and Brock was handed a tough schedule the whole way through his UFC tenure. GSP fought all the best and didn't duck anyone.

Where was their preferential treatment? They earned every penny they ever made with what they did in the ring.
 
The Natural Born Runner said:
Was GSP, Silva, Jones or Brock ever given preferential treatment?

If so, examples?

Dana has only ever bashed the hell out of the middle 2, and Brock was handed a tough schedule the whole way through his UFC tenure. GSP fought all the best and didn't duck anyone.

Where was their preferential treatment? They earned every penny they ever made with what they did in the ring.
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Those were old times.

The new breed are catered to and fawned over.
 
CRuck1980 said:
They're never going to limit their ability to do what they wanna do with matchups
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This is the difference between something like tennis which is an independently governed sport and the UFC which is an entertainment business. In tennis if you don't show up to a grand slam and you were champion last year - you no longer are the champion at the end of the two weeks.
 
camelfarmer1 said:
This is the difference between something like tennis which is an independently governed sport and the UFC which is an entertainment business. In tennis if you don't show up to a grand slam and you were champion last year - you no longer are the champion at the end of the two weeks.
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There are no tournaments in the UFC, if they scheduled a title defense between Conor and a contender and he told them no, that's comparable, but it's not. Conor is working with ufc, not against them. So there no reason to strip him of the title
 
Stripped, not yet. But unfortunately, Conor is proving to us and the UFC Exec that being a duel weight champ in MMA is almost impossible. The chances of injuries yourself and losing a fight are so high in MMA, so many factors to take in consideration. If Conor wins or loses, he should be forced to defend his title at 145. If the wants to fight RDA, he should vacate his FW belt.
 
CRuck1980 said:
There are no tournaments in the UFC, if they scheduled a title defense between Conor and a contender and he told them no, that's comparable, but it's not. Conor is working with ufc, not against them. So there no reason to strip him of the title
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I'm saying the fact that they promote for the fighters as well as decide the match ups is an issue. In most sports there is an independent body that decides match ups based on long standing formats and rules, and championships and leagues are sorted this way.
 
Conor, out of his own free will have taken two fights outside his weight division which will consequently hold up the FW division.

I'd argue that there is more merit in stripping him than someone who has been injured.
 
camelfarmer1 said:
I'm saying the fact that they promote for the fighters as well as decide the match ups is an issue. In most sports there is an independent body that decides match ups based on long standing formats and rules, and championships and leagues are sorted this way.
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That is not the case in most combat sports and definitely not the way the UFC has ever done things. The sport is way to volatile to have a solid formula like those other sports
 
FATM said:
Conor, out of his own free will have taken two fights outside his weight division which will consequently hold up the FW division.

I'd argue that there is more merit in stripping him than someone who has been injured.
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It's not just his free will, it's with the blessing of the UFC, they are responsible for the delay, not Conor
 
CRuck1980 said:
No, because Conor didn't do anything against their wishes or violate any of their rules. He fought who they wanted him to fight. No reason to strip him
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Alright, so why when Jose Aldo wanted to go up and fight Anthony Pettis (after numerous title defences and dominant performances), after pretty much cleaning out his division, he was told "oh, you'll have to stay at 155 permanently and you'll have to vacate the belt?"

If Anderson Silva had beat James Irvin, and then said, "you know what I'll fight Forrest next actually, and after that, I might fight Rashad or perhaps Rampage" - you think Dana would just let his MW belt sit there undefended? Nope, he most probably would have stripped him.

One fight outside your division, for a shot at another title (RDA fight) is fine with me. RDA drops out, that's not your fault. Then you lose to his replacement, and you now are fighting fit to fight again but not to defend your belt? To me, you cannot have 2 fights in 7 months both 2 weights above your division in which you are champion, and not defend the title - if so, you must give up the belt, you're way up at 170 which is 25lbs higher than your division, this is just silly and confusing to me!
 
wonderbread said:
He should defend the belt soon and quit being a bitch.
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Lol

Sherdog is amazing. He's a bitch for fighting the guy who beat him up and choked him out.

He's too big for 145. He's a bitch for fighting the bigger guy who beat him. Blah blah. There's always a bitch angle.
 
camelfarmer1 said:
I'm saying the fact that they promote for the fighters as well as decide the match ups is an issue. In most sports there is an independent body that decides match ups based on long standing formats and rules, and championships and leagues are sorted this way.
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It's not perfect but it doesn't work any other way. This is the fight game. Leagues fail. Tournaments fail.
 
blazerkor said:
Frankie and Jose have both gone on record saying they only want Conor next and are willing to wait because they both think they deserve the shot and Jose probably does because he was the only FW title holder ever but he has his injury concerns; Frankie has won every fight he needed to in order to get that fight so he might deserve it to but the UFC isn't a meritocracy they are a prize fight promotion so they will go for the biggest prize/biggest fight. The truth is they are nothing like "sports entertainment" because the UFC promotes the fights (real life fights that aren't scripted) that they think will make the most money. They are not writing story lines.

As far as what Pride did to the sport, well they fixed fights, it's documented, and made it so we couldn't see the fights we wanted to see. So competition would be better for the fighters but bad for the fans.
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They wrote the Belfort "Test" story with Jones fight, and this is the only thing we know. Imagine how many shit is there that we don't. Pride was not clean, but don't fool yourself with the thought that UFC is.
 
The Natural Born Runner said:
Alright, so why when Jose Aldo wanted to go up and fight Anthony Pettis (after numerous title defences and dominant performances), after pretty much cleaning out his division, he was told "oh, you'll have to stay at 155 permanently and you'll have to vacate the belt?"

If Anderson Silva had beat James Irvin, and then said, "you know what I'll fight Forrest next actually, and after that, I might fight Rashad or perhaps Rampage" - you think Dana would just let his MW belt sit there undefended? Nope, he most probably would have stripped him.

One fight outside your division, for a shot at another title (RDA fight) is fine with me. RDA drops out, that's not your fault. Then you lose to his replacement, and you now are fighting fit to fight again but not to defend your belt? To me, you cannot have 2 fights in 7 months both 2 weights above your division in which you are champion, and not defend the title - if so, you must give up the belt, you're way up at 170 which is 25lbs higher than your division, this is just silly and confusing to me!
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I don't disagree with much of what you said, but I seem to remember Pettis was coming down to 145 to take on Aldo before he got injured.

But in any case, what you posted doesn't really have anything to do with what I said. Conor is acting under the blessings of the UFC management, therefore they have no reason to strip him
 
KhabibTheBeagle said:
I think he should have to defend his belt every other fight, at least. This rematch is a farce, but it's plain to see that the UFC is not confident that Conor'll get past Edgar.

Right now, he should not be stripped. But if he doesn't defend his belt next time, then 145 is being held up for no good reason.
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It's nice to see completely rational responses from time to time. Well done, sir.
 
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