Should All Religious Gatherings Be Monitored for Inciting Violence?

[Luger]

Within America the likelihood of being killed by Islamist terrorism is pretty minuscule but on the global scale Islamist terrorism is a unique threat.

I'd be more worried about the USA and Russia starting some BS.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'd be more worried about the USA and Russia starting some BS.

Don't forget China. People like to bring up Samuel Huntington's thesis on the clash of civilizations but let's remember he included China in that as well. The aggressive territorial claims of China in the South China Sea are evidence of that.

 

[dissolved]

What a fatuous thing to say. Yes I realize this, is there an issue with me pushing back on your ideas?

And paradoxically you'd want to expand the nature of illegal speech so as to leave Christian churches that are now protected vulnerable and yet I doubt this is your intention. Its a perfect illustration of why you don't give up liberty the minute you pay for it.

As far as Christian on Muslim violence, I never implied anything to the contrary. You keep pretending to know what it is I think and believe. You're contently projecting things onto me because to you the other is something easily understood and defined by you without nuance.I've talked about this ad nausaem in other threads but you're hardly capable of doing anything but spew talking points. But if you're really curious for an example of this then here's one

The violence there goes both ways as militias representing each side went at each other. But this is a majority Christian nation that descended into sectarian chaos. Now you can rightly point not to the religion here but the colonial legacy that has left many of these African countries dysfunctional. But somehow that same argument is hardly accepted for Muslim countries nowadays.

Full disclosure, there is of course something unique about Islam in general but also at this point in time. There are no major Christian institutions nowadays bankrolling Christian militias the way certain wealthy Muslim countries finance Islamist rebels and they can get away with this because they have made themselves indispensable cogs within the global economy. But they're taking advantage of a similar situation.

I'll leave it at that because most of what I say is lost on you.


I have friends in Orlando and I live in South Florida, this is not that distant from me.

No its not, you're constantly questioning my motivations despite whatever it is I say and I've never done the same to you. You view any Muslim with an air of suspicion, even if they've renounced their belief.

Lol at trash like you telling me to man up. Maybe you should man up and accept the price of living in a free society instead of begging for a nanny/police state to turn the country into a safe space.

This is reality princess and sometimes its ugly but here in the US its better than most of the world.

If your beef is with violence how come you want to expand what is considered criminal speech? Equating speech with violence, you're starting to sound like a SJW.

I'm against all violence of any kind. As I said, I'm more than fine with monitoring all religious gatherings including Christian ones too. This was made clear throughout the thread from beginning to end.

Further, I don't "constantly" bring up your background to you - this is probably the second time I've connected you to your background in an accusatory manner and this by far the most.

I specifically questioned you the other day in that one thread about Farek Fatah (sp) because I wanted to really see what sort of numbers you thought this guy represented. Even though you said what I already pretty much thought, you were the only one that responded - which I thanked you for.

Bottom line is it makes me suspicious of people when they aren't willing to go the extra mile in stamping out violence-inciting extremism. I believe ironwolf and dontsnitch were the only ones not opposed to the idea and their reaction of openness is what I hoped for on the topic.

And BTW, this story made headlines because to anyone with a right mind it was alarming to hear this imam speaking as he did. This wasn't just something that I found troubling, virtually everyone who watched it found it so.

As I've seen similar videos before, the point of this thread (which was clear) was to put forward the idea of stopping this type of inciting-to-violence. And quite frankly it was likely this type of authoritative leadership that at the very least contributed to the idea behind the killer's actions.

 

[dissolved]

At least you own up to picking out Islamic violence, not just being against violence in general.

I'm against violence in general so will edit that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm against all violence of any kind. As I said, I'm more than fine with monitoring all religious gatherings including Christian ones too. This was made clear throughout the thread from beginning to end.

Further, I don't "constantly" bring up your background to you - this is probably the second time I've connected you to your background in an accusatory manner and this by far the most.

I'm fairly certain you've mentioned it more than twice and always to question to my motives.

Bottom line is it makes me suspicious of people when they aren't willing to go the extra mile in stamping out violence-inciting extremism. I believe ironwolf and dontsnitch were the only ones not opposed to the idea and their reaction of openness is what I hoped for on the topic.

And in my case it must be something like taqiyya. I can't possibly be someone who has actually internalized American values, must be because I have Muslim family members.

And BTW, this story made headlines because to anyone with a right mind it was alarming to hear this imam speaking as he did. This wasn't just something that I found troubling, virtually everyone who watched it found it so.

As I've seen similar videos before, the point of this thread (which was clear) was to put forward the idea of stopping this type of inciting-to-violence. And quite frankly it was likely this type of authoritative leadership that at the very least contributed to the idea behind the killer's actions.

That was the point of the thread but can't people reasonably disagree? Is it so hard to believe someone might look at the relatively small number of deaths attributed to terrorism and think that to preserve freedom of speech and religion as is is more important?

 

[Hit-N-Run]

We should bug all meetings of all people at all times to make sure no one is planning anything. I'm going to wire up my daughter for her Girl Scout meeting.

 

[Thurisaz]

I'm against all violence of any kind.

Odd. If you ever have kids I'm quite sure it would be trivially easy to prove that wrong.

 

[dissolved]

Odd. If you ever have kids I'm quite sure it would be trivially easy to prove that wrong.

I wasn't talking about a few swats on the butt of a child.

 

[dissolved]

We should bug all meetings of all people at all times to make sure no one is planning anything. I'm going to wire up my daughter for her Girl Scout meeting.

Girl Scouts isn't a religious meeting.

 

[dissolved]

I'm fairly certain you've mentioned it more than twice and always to question to my motives.

And in my case it must be something like taqiyya. I can't possibly be someone who has actually internalized American values, must be because I have Muslim family members.

That was the point of the thread but can't people reasonably disagree? Is it so hard to believe someone might look at the relatively small number of deaths attributed to terrorism and think that to preserve freedom of speech and religion as is is more important?

Sorry for misjudging you.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Sorry for misjudging you.

I gotta apologize too, I shouldn't have hoped for you to step on a LEGO. That was really harsh.

 

[Thurisaz]

I wasn't talking about a few swats on the butt of a child.

Neither was I.

 

[Hit-N-Run]

Girl Scouts isn't a religious meeting.

You didn't understand my point. Why stop at religious meetings? Can't violence acts be planned anywhere?