Shogun vs. Machida 2 revisited

[SSgt Dickweed]

Was the punch the Shogun landed that dropped Machida actual good technique or just a lucky break for him? It seemed very odd that when Machida threw the straight left Shogun was able to move just a bit out of the way and land a looping right after.

On one hand, Shogun threw that punch later than Machida did without even setting it up. On the other, Machida was exactly in range of Shogun with his chin sticking out and didn't feint or anything before attacking.

Shogun's killer instinct is high level AF. He mounted Machida as soon as they hit the ground. I would tend to think that Machida should've postured to get half guard or something, but shit happened too fast you can't really blame him for not trying as he was dazed from being dropped.

Edit- I just realized Machida attempted to close the distance with Shogun to nullify punches but Shogun outpowered him.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

Impeccable technique? Maybe not.

Timing on the other hand.

 

[YewJan]

Would have to rewatch but that straight left was the same shot Machida always throws, so the natural counter is the right hand that Shogun landed.

As for posturing up it’s hard to tell from that angle but as Shogun landed straight in the high mount perhaps shrimping out the back door would of been my go to? Think he was fucked as soon as the right landed though tbh.

 

[machidafan99]

It was good technique. Muay Thai fighters give karate guys a hard time. They are so good in the pocket/up close.

A legal strike behind the ear is devastating. Bas Rutten teaches a palm strike in this exact location. It really rattles you, I've hit myself lightly in this area and was jarred.

 

[mkt]

Context always helps. Before the fight, Machida responded to criticism that his style was too elusive and promised to fight more aggressively. That proved to be his downfall. Before the KO, he had taken Shogun down twice and was doing pretty well.

As for the "elusive/boring" stuff, he shouldn't have listened to critics. Before the Shogun fight, he had 2 consecutive KOs (Thiago Silva, Rashad). Plus his first fight with Shogun wasn't boring at all IMO.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

Context always helps. Before the fight, Machida responded to criticism that his style was too elusive and promised to fight more aggressively. That proved to be his downfall. Before the KO, he had taken Shogun down twice and was doing pretty well.

As for the "elusive/boring" stuff, he shouldn't have listened to critics. Before the Shogun fight, he had 2 consecutive KOs (Thiago Silva, Rashad). Plus his first fight with Shogun wasn't boring at all IMO.

Plus Shogun surprised him by attacking with his hands more. In the first fight he used a lot of kicks.

 

[mkt]

A legal strike behind the ear is devastating. Bas Rutten teaches a palm strike in this exact location. It really rattles you, I've hit myself lightly in this area and was jarred.

Brock KO'd Couture with an almost identical punch. Of course, since he's hated around here, people said Brock "hit Randy in the back of the head" while Shogun "had a brilliant KO." But they landed in almost precisely the same spot.

 

[mkt]

Plus Shogun surprised him by attacking with his hands more. In the first fight he used a lot of kicks.

Yeah, I'll give Shogun full credit. IMO, the best and definitely most technical Shogun we ever saw were in the two Machida fights. Pride Shogun fought with a lot more reckless abandon. It's too bad Shogun went back to brawling later (Gus, both Hendo fights, etc.).

 

[E Undead]

He evolved his gameplan of the first fight. If you watch the KO, Shogun countered Machidas low kick counter he catched Shogun the first fight with. It was gameplanning at its finest. Its fair to say that Machida was still the overall better fighter around that time

 

[Hotora86]

Context always helps. Before the fight, Machida responded to criticism that his style was too elusive and promised to fight more aggressively. That proved to be his downfall. Before the KO, he had taken Shogun down twice and was doing pretty well.

As for the "elusive/boring" stuff, he shouldn't have listened to critics. Before the Shogun fight, he had 2 consecutive KOs (Thiago Silva, Rashad). Plus his first fight with Shogun wasn't boring at all IMO.

True, Machida fan here and I also think that increasing aggressive output killed Lyoto's reign.

As for Shogun, he planned and timed that counter hook to perfection. Nothing but props to him.

 

[lolsnar]

I always thought shogun came in with the mentality that since he was robbed the first fight he was going to ko machida asap. Thats what we got. Man, he was an animal when he was healthy

 

[Franklin U.]

Shogun showed the world of Machidas kryptonite that night.
Machida on his back= non elite

 

[UL]

shogun won both fights

90% of you noobs counted him out
i remember being one of the few on the forum that knew shogun had this due to his style
war shogun!

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

Shogun's killer instinct is high level AF.

He has the GOAT killer instinct with Vitor Belfort a close #2

 

[Blayt7hh]

Brock KO'd Couture with an almost identical punch. Of course, since he's hated around here, people said Brock "hit Randy in the back of the head" while Shogun "had a brilliant KO." But they landed in almost precisely the same spot.

Most of the time it happens as a result of the fighters moving around. It’s pretty hard to hit there intentionally

 

[octagon888]

Conor. Just wanted to type that name so this thread is relevant in today's UFC.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Conor. Just wanted to type that name so this thread is relevant in today's UFC.

Hopefully, Conor turns into someone's prison bitch and have his US Visa revoked.

 

[octagon888]

Hopefully, Conor turns into someone's prison bitch and have his US Visa revoked.

He's still gonna be filthy rich regardless. Unfortunately.

 

[tramendous]

Context always helps. Before the fight, Machida responded to criticism that his style was too elusive and promised to fight more aggressively. That proved to be his downfall. Before the KO, he had taken Shogun down twice and was doing pretty well.

Other thsn the takedowns, machida was getting tagged on the feet. Shogun was chasing him with punches and they were getting through.

 

[Anomonis]

IIRC Shogun/his camp said in an interview that they were looking for that counter and trained for it.