Shogun-Sonnen 2 will be like Shogun-Forrest 2

[boss429]

So Shogun quit against a guy that's mediocre everywhere else but wrestling. So he was submitted from a mediocre submission. I conclude from this that Shogun is mediocre himself, or worse. Every insult you throw at Chael comes back on Shogun two-fold. Continue, fanboys.

Yeah, I'm the fanboy. Shogun got caught by I guy who I'm sure he didn't believe could catch him he made a mistake, it happens, do really believe it would happen again?

 

[Bargey]

There's no probably about it. Cormier is used to wrestling much larger men than Chael. Chael relies heavily on being the stronger, more physically imposing man (his technique is great too). Cormier is the superior athlete and the superior technician. He could submit Chael, ragdoll him for 5 rounds, TKO him on the ground, or KO him standing.

Glover would make Chael work very hard for TDs, and I doubt Chael wants to be on the ground with him anyway. Glover would hurt him. The Davis fight would be very intriguing though.

The 'probably' is in relation to the fact that nobody has seen DC at 205. If he carries his HW skillset down to 205 then absolutely I agree he'll maul Chael. We just don't know that he handles 205 yet though.

 

[haraigoshi]

its not gonna happen.

 

[Kyoto**]

Yeah, I'm the fanboy. Shogun got caught by I guy who I'm sure he didn't believe could catch him he made a mistake, it happens, do really believe it would happen again?

Yes, clearly, you are. You lack objectivity. Shogun was dominated and forced to quit in mere minutes by someone you view as mediocre in most aspects of MMA, including submissions. How pitiful.

 

[ssc280]

It's not happening

 

[boss429]

Yes, clearly, you are. You lack objectivity. Shogun was dominated and forced to quit in mere minutes by someone you view as mediocre in most aspects of MMA, including submissions. How pitiful.

You really aren't that bright eh.

Would you pick Sonnen to sub Shogun again if they fight next week? Yes or no.

You're right though, Sonnen is an elite submission expert as well as an elite striker, I mean just look at all the subs and ko's on his resume, the dudes a walking highlight reel and you're not delusional at all.

 

[Flamma]

Sonnen shouldn't fight at 205 again, he is not a 205 fighter despite Rua which was a lucky submission. Evans proved that.

 

[Redhawks100]

Nope. Sonnen's win over Shogun was quite thorough. Shogun was actually competitive against Forrest in their first fight.

 

[Kyoto**]

You really aren't that bright eh.

Would you pick Sonnen to sub Shogun again if they fight next week? Yes or no.

You're right though, Sonnen is an elite submission expert as well as an elite striker, I mean just look at all the subs and ko's on his resume, the dudes a walking highlight reel and you're not delusional at all.

Aww, Sherdog's resident Simple Jack is questioning my intelligence. That's cute.

Whether I would pick Chael to win again has nothing to do with you claiming Chael is mediocre in everything except wrestling. And if you weren't so illiterate and non-perceptive, you wouldn't even have asked the question. I've already answered it, by the way, dingus.

Chael Sonnen submitted Shogun with ease. Made him quit faster than Jon Jones made Shogun tap to strikes. If he's no good at submissions, or "mediocre", then that doesn't speak too highly about Shogun's own abilities. Continue denigrating Shogun in the process of denigrating Chael, moron.

 

[boss429]

Aww, Sherdog's resident Simple Jack is questioning my intelligence. That's cute.

Whether I would pick Chael to win again has nothing to do with you claiming Chael is mediocre in everything except wrestling. And if you weren't so illiterate and non-perceptive, you wouldn't even have asked the question. I've already answered it, by the way, dingus.

Chael Sonnen submitted Shogun with ease. Made him quit faster than Jon Jones made Shogun tap to strikes. If he's no good at submissions, or "mediocre", then that doesn't speak too highly about Shogun's own abilities. Continue denigrating Shogun in the process of denigrating Chael, moron.

Lol, okay bud. I'm done with you as you clearly never understood what I've been saying this whole time, you're in such a hurry to defend your hero you completely missed the point.

It's quite adorable that you think so highly of yourself though, have a good night.

 

[Kyoto**]

Lol, okay bud. I'm done with you as you clearly never understood what I've been saying this whole time, you're in such a hurry to defend your hero you completely missed the point.

It's quite adorable that you think so highly of yourself though, have a good night.

I understood you. How do you think I concluded you were a buffoon? You believe Shogun, the professional MMA fighter, never in his wildest dreams imagined that Chael could potentially submit him, and that that is the only reason Chael won -- not because, ya know, Chael knows what he's doing. In any event, Chael, the mediocre mixed martial artist, made the "great in all aspects of MMA" Shogun Rua tap out. And now you're attempting to cope with the reality of it.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Shogun gasses watching Sonnen's pace on film. 50-45.

 

[ermac88]

How can you even say something like that, Sonnen is a great wrestler and mediocre everywhere else, Shogun has a far more diverse skill set and it's pretty fuckin unlikely he would let Cheal catch him again, he probably didn't even consider it a possibility the first time around.

Also Shogun got on top of Sonnen, you don't want that happening very often because you usually don't get back up when it does.

Obviously this fight was to short to really draw any conclusion whether or not his cardio has improved but he looked sharper then he has in a while and was actually throwing kicks for a change so who knows.

I certainly wouldn't bet the farm on Cheal beating him again and I don't think any rational person would either.

How can you can say Sonnen is mediocre if he tooled Shogun in under a round without breaking a sweat?

Chael didnt even acknowledge the victory in the post interview.

Youre saying Shogun is even more "mediocre" than Sonnen, if Sonnen beat that ass so easily?

 

[Sleep Doctor]

Why in the shit would there be a Shogun-Sonnen 2? Because pride nuthuggers are mad? lol

 

[Kyoto**]

How can you can say Sonnen is mediocre if he tooled Shogun in under a round without breaking a sweat?

Chael didnt even acknowledge the victory in the post interview.

Youre saying Shogun is even more "mediocre" than Sonnen, if Sonnen beat that ass so easily?

Partly because Chael respects Shogun. He's said nothing but positive things about him and even downplayed his own performance and the relevance of the win. But Shogun fanboys criticize him and call him mediocre.

 

[JinKazama]

ima shogun fan and even i dont wanna see it

much better opportunities for both fighters elsewhere

 

[Contraction**]

I would favor Shogun in the rematch tbh, I will bet on him IF hes the under dog

 

[boss429]

I understood you. How do you think I concluded you were a buffoon? You believe Shogun, the professional MMA fighter, never in his wildest dreams imagined that Chael could potentially submit him, and that that is the only reason Chael won -- not because, ya know, Chael knows what he's doing. In any event, Chael, the mediocre mixed martial artist, made the "great in all aspects of MMA" Shogun Rua tap out. And now you're attempting to cope with the reality of it.

Yeah, the problem is that's not what's happening here.

You said Chael is the better fighter, compare there careers and it becomes pretty fucking obvious that that's not true.

Chaels a great wrestler, this is a fact, he is not however "great" at any other aspect of the game. Shogun attempted to take him down and left his head in and Cheal capitalized winning the fight, Shogun fucked up and Cheal took advantage, kudos and good job to him.

My point, that you actually don't seem to be disputing is that this outcome is highly unlikely to be repeated, I never said it's impossible for Chael to win in another fashion however, that's were the nuthugger in you took over the intelligent fight fan in you.

 

[boss429]

How can you can say Sonnen is mediocre if he tooled Shogun in under a round without breaking a sweat?

Chael didnt even acknowledge the victory in the post interview.

Youre saying Shogun is even more "mediocre" than Sonnen, if Sonnen beat that ass so easily?

Sorry I'm not going over this again, read the rest of my conversation with the other guy and it will become clear, or not, I'm kinda drunk so maybe it's not as clear as it seems to me.

 

[Kyoto**]

Yeah, the problem is that's not what's happening here.

You said Chael is the better fighter, compare there careers and it becomes pretty fucking obvious that that's not true.

Chaels a great wrestler, this is a fact, he is not however "great" at any other aspect of the game. Shogun attempted to take him down and left his head in and Cheal capitalized winning the fight, Shogun fucked up and Cheal took advantage, kudos and good job to him.

My point, that you actually don't seem to be disputing is that this outcome is highly unlikely to be repeated, I never said it's impossible for Chael to win in another fashion however, that's were the nuthugger in you took over the intelligent fight fan in you.

I didn't say Chael was the better fighter, moron. I said that if you think that Chael is mediocre in most aspects of MMA, then Shogun, by your own logic, must be worse.