Sheriff David Clarke Crushes Don Lemon Over Hateful Black Lives Matter

[The Beast Within]

 

[punky brewster]

Holy shit. This is the most epic smack down I've ever seen.
1000 likes.

The look on Don Lemon's face was priceless.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Not sure crushes is the right word here. Maybe two words? Talked over?

 

[Gervinho]

Two people with different views talking from their point of view. The fact that Sheriff mentions black on black crimes to justify cop killing is diversion. People have far higher expectation on cops than gangbangers

 

[Diamond Jim]

 

[GoldenAzazel]

*tries to bring up Harvard study to purposefully misinterpret it*

*gets corrected by Clarke*

"Many didn't find that Harvard study credible"

 

[GoldenAzazel]

Not sure crushes is the right word here. Maybe two words? Talked over?

Well I mean every time he tried to make a point to link it to Baton Rouge, Lemon would just talk over him and say "Sheriff, Sheriff, that's a different conversation".

 

[TheGreatA]

Two people with different views talking from their point of view. The fact that Sheriff mentions black on black crimes to justify cop killing is diversion. People have far higher expectation on cops than gangbangers

It's not a diversion. It's part of his two arguments that

a. the media are giving a disproportionate amount of focus to (often debunked) news about black people being mistreated by the police, with CNN journalists being partially responsible for it (despite Don Lemon's claims of giving an equal amount of focus to such issues)
and
b. if black people are doing proportionally more crime, then they should be expected to have proportionally more confrontations with the police also. Having more confrontations with police is not automatic evidence of racism as Don Lemon and others have claimed.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

Two people with different views talking from their point of view. The fact that Sheriff mentions black on black crimes to justify cop killing is diversion. People have far higher expectation on cops than gangbangers

It really didn't sound like it was used as a justification. He seemed to bring it up as point to saying the only people out there trying to protect black people are the cops.

 

[glennrod]

Any black man who doesn't follow the "victim" narrative is a self hating racist..

 

[Gervinho]

It's not a diversion. It's part of his two arguments that

a. the media are giving a disproportionate amount of focus to (often debunked) news about black people being mistreated by the police, with CNN journalists being partially responsible for it (despite Don Lemon's claims of giving an equal amount of focus to such issues)
and
b. if black people are doing proportionally more crime, then they should be expected to have proportionally more confrontations with the police also. Having more confrontations with police is not automatic evidence of racism as Don Lemon and others have claimed.

Their argument is black people are targeted more by police which leads to them being caught more and they are treated more aggressive by police. There is a lot of dodgy people out there, but black people are far more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. The average white person gets away with far more. The justification is the stats show black people do more crime, but they will argue the way you got that stat is based on unjust profiling.

Another problem is like most thing you have to be one side which is bull. everything isnt black and white like this sheriff always say. Every person who protested police brutality doesnt support police killing and dont need to be told there is no issue with police and look at black on black crime. I have watched several of this Sheriff videos and he never admit police doing anything wrong....at best he says we dont know what led to that police officers doing what he did and the video doesnt show the whole picture. So he is no different that this host as both are biased

 

[punky brewster]

Two people with different views talking from their point of view. The fact that Sheriff mentions black on black crimes to justify cop killing is diversion. People have far higher expectation on cops than gangbangers

Wut?

Please post the quote where he mentions black on black crime to justify anything.....

 

[TheGreatA]

Their argument is black people are targeted more by police which leads to them being caught more and they are treated more aggressive by police. There is a lot of dodgy people out there, but black people are far more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. The average white person gets away with far more. The justification is the stats show black people do more crime, but they will argue the way you got that stat is based on unjust profiling.

Except we are not really talking about the kind of crime where you can truly get "targeted". We are talking about largely violent crimes. Do white people get away with more violent crimes than black people, I really don't think so.

We can make the argument about marijuana or some other bullcrap that people get thrown to prison for, in those cases the black people might have an argument. But violent crimes and robberies are what lead to most shoot-outs with the cops.

Another problem is like most thing you have to be one side which is bull. everything isnt black and white like this sheriff always say. Every person who protested police brutality doesnt support police killing and dont need to be told there is no issue with police and look at black on black crime. I have watched several of this Sheriff videos and he never admit police doing anything wrong....at best he says we dont know what led to that police officers doing what he did and the video doesnt show the whole picture. So he is no different that this host as both are biased

The sheriff is presenting an argument from his point of the view, which is the police point of the view. He doesn't need to soften any of his points initially to "comfort" the person he is having a conversation with. If Don Lemon was worth jackshit as a conversationalist, he could've assumed an opposite point of view and had a conversation with the sheriff, instead of trying to hide away from a confrontation.

I'm sure that Clarke, or anybody with a brain, knows that there may be some problems within the police force. But considering recent events, he clearly doesn't feel like this is the time to be putting the blame on the police. It is obvious that he thinks that this is the time to remind Americans how much good the police are doing. He must have been brought there to defend the police force, and he did.

He did not make any concessions, but to be fair, Don Lemon did not give him any reason to.

 

[punky brewster]

Their argument is black people are targeted more by police which leads to them being caught more and they are treated more aggressive by police. There is a lot of dodgy people out there, but black people are far more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. The average white person gets away with far more. The justification is the stats show black people do more crime, but they will argue the way you got that stat is based on unjust profiling.

The fact that you view life through the prism of "how much people can get away with" pretty much sums you up.

 

[usmctanker242]

Kind of reminded me of when Alex Jones appeared on Piers Morgan to talk about gun control.



Either way the Clarke vs Lemon piece was pretty frustrating and almost cringe-worthy to watch. I like Clarke, but he came off as a bit too wild or chaotic. He would serve everybody better, cops included, if he were able to better speak about his argument. It looked like he was pretty off his game and quite angry though... bad time to do an interview with an asshole on CNN.

 

[TheGreatA]

Americans just need to remember that the Mafia hid behind the "poor, oppressed Italian" victimhood mentality within the community for ages. You better not give a bunch of gang-bangers the same kind of a shield and support within the population in order to avoid prosecution.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

Kind of reminded me of when Alex Jones appeared on Piers Morgan to talk about gun control.

That's still one of my favourite things to watch on the internet even though the Shapiro v Morgan interview was more intellectually satisfying to watch.

 

[Gervinho]

The fact that you view life through the prism of "how much people can get away with" pretty much sums you up.

Well I am not a criminal and never committed a crime in my life. so I dont think of what I can get away with personally. But as a black man I know i rarely get benefit of doubt when it comes to police. I have been stopped many times where they cite bullshit reasons to search me. I go along with it cause I know they are just wasting time. I dont support killing police officers or violence against anyone. But it seems as soon as you bring up why some people may have issues with police, you suddenly support killing of police

 

[GoldenAzazel]

Americans just need to remember that the Mafia hid behind the "poor, oppressed Italian" victimhood mentality within the community for ages. You better not give a bunch of gang-bangers the same kind of a shield and support within the population in order to avoid prosecution.

That's actually a really good point that I've never seen any body bring up before.

 

[TheGreatA]

Well I am not a criminal and never committed a crime in my life. so I dont think of what I can get away with personally. But as a black man I know i rarely get benefit of doubt when it comes to police. I have been stopped many times where they cite bullshit reasons to search me. I go along with it cause I know they are just wasting time. I dont support killing police officers or violence against anyone. But it seems as soon as you bring up why some people may have issues with police, you suddenly support killing of police

I think Clarke's issues are more so with the BLM movement, than people criticizing the police. He's on the field, he probably knows about things that are going on with the movement, more than he is allowed to say.

Again, I have to bring up the point that sometimes criminals try to utilize groups such as this in order to gain more room for their operations. The initial intent may have been good, but it gets corrupted by the people who take over. The Mafia did this, the Taleban does that in Afghanistan, etc. to raise popular support against the officials.

Let's just say that we have a guy who runs a drug operation. Wouldn't it make sense for this person to get behind a movement such as this in order to decrease the freedoms of the cops who are trying to put an end to your criminal organization? This is the kind of stuff we have to take into account before judging what Sheriff Clarke is trying to say. From Clarke's point of view, this is what he is trying to fight against, the possibility that the police will not have enough operating room to prosecute these kinds of criminals, compared to drug lords and thugs who hide behind popular support.

I doubt Clarke is much of a politician and he probably doesn't give a damn about anything other than the ability of police to prosecute criminals and not be targeted by the media or random lone wolf nutjobs.