Sherdog POTWR: Round 2: The Debate

[HereticBD]

Silencing dissenting voices is downright unSherdogian although I understand it's hallmark of the alright

 

[Quipling]

@Jack V Savage , @Amerikuracana went on a lengthy diatribe that attacked you at points. Any response?

 

[JDragon]

@KBE6EKCTAH_CCP

Thanks very much for your question.

I feel my stances on political issues is rather idiosyncratic, and don't really fit into one label. But to hopefully give a taste of my views, here are stances on many issues:

Economics - I believe in free market systems backstopped by laws that prevent employees from extreme abuses like working in clearly unsafe or unfair conditions. In general, the less bureaucracy, tax, and red tape, the better.

Education - I don't think it should be fully socialized. I believe students should have to have their own skin in the game when going to college. I do believe it should be subsidized to an extent so that debt isn't crippling. Or better payback plans put into place. For instance, if it is determined that a certain skillset is missing in the economy, a low interest rate could be placed for student loans into that field. Other disciplines, not in demand, could have higher interest rates on loans.

Healthcare - Like education, I don't think it should be fully socialized, but everyone deserves a basic, passable level of care. A two or three tier system, with a deductible for hospital visits makes sense to me.

Immigration - it is economically needed for low-skilled labor productivity and to increase the population that can assist in social security for the aging population. It should be done legally though.

Drugs - the war on drugs in my mind is a farce, prisons have become an industry when they shouldn't have, and nobody should go to jail for using soft drugs like marijuana

International Relations - I think the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so it is important to not always be Mr. Nice Guy on the world scene. That being said, I view the overwhelming majority of wars as not being conducted for humanitarian or defensive reasons, but instead motivated by power and greed. I am usually staunchly against wars, for instance, the most recent Iraq war. Though quite ironically, I actually think a stronger war effort against ISIS is justifiable. Anyhow, it's vital to have a strong military, but I don't think we necessarily need to spend so much more than the rest of the world combined on military to stay safe and have enough influence in the world.

Religion - I think it's highly illogical to believe that a God exists, let alone the "right" God a certain segment of our population believes in, exists. It just seem so crazy now that we know there are so many galaxies and solar systems, that a God out there has picked a little speck of dust out there to create man, and have them fight each other like simpletons. That being said, I believe in freedom of religion, and people being allowed to practice, but I have a thin tolerance for when that freedom incurs on other people's welfare. Heck, I would even say animals have a greater right to not suffer cruel deaths, than religious zealots have a right to kill animals in a cruel fashion based on religious texts like making meat halal. That's a disgusting practice that should not be tolerated.

Gun Control - I believe this depends on the nation. I believe in the right to bear arms in America. If I lived in many other countries, I would not be in favor of it.

Same Sex Marriage - I believe a child has benefits from being in a healthy male-female parented family over a gay parent family. That being said, I think loving gay parents are better for kids than shitty straight parents. If shitty straight parents can marry and have kids, I won't stop same sex parents from marrying and adopting or having IVF kids etc.

Abortion - I find abortion a grotesque practice, but understand why it is done. I often sway on this topic, it is very contentious to me. I think as a matter of principle it should be illegal, but in practice that opens up a huge can of worms of problems.

Racism - So sick of racism. It is such a stupid topic and can't wait for the day that racist groups and race peddlers are all gone.


All that being said, I think what the War Room really needs in a President is maturity; someone who can help discuss issues in a decent fashion, regardless of personal stances. There is too much poor quality mud slinging posts. I really hope to change that. That is what I represent, and I hope that is something you will vote for.

How very concise

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Jack V Savage , @Amerikuracana went on a lengthy diatribe that attacked you at points. Any response?

Missed it. Probably a safe bet that the attacks were dumb. Can you quote, though?

 

[Bald1]

One can speak positively of Moore ( Think Roger and me , that should be a favorite among Trumpbots )without thinking he is infallible.

Silencing dissenting voices is downright unSherdogian although I understand it's hallmark of the alright, that's something I hope the Potwr will address .

It seems to me that silencing dissenting voices is the hallmark of the new left. At least outside of the WR. The rest I agree on.

 

[Lead]

I did not, voter suppression, classic right wing tactic ....

If it takes me doing one post per tag or a massive pm to link round 3 and 4, I will do it. I'm annoyed it didn't work. This thread took awhile to make. It is the least important of the four though so I can't complain.

 

[Quipling]

Missed it. Probably a safe bet that the attacks were dumb. Can you quote, though?

No bet.

The front runner is going to be Jack V, I believe. He has shown great consistency over the years, and is a very recognizable character. Both of those things are his weaknesses. He is on one side of all issues, and one side only. His over consistency in his one-sidedness betrays his well written pseudo-intellectualism; as true intellectuals would never always have hive mind and never allow themselves to deviate from the script. Jack is recognizable for being in certain threads where the fruit is low-pickens.. But as the left has shot wayyy left, he has stayed away from far too many of the threads where he would have no logical stance, and has in turn proved that the left has no argument in many of these cases. We don't need a partisan hack, no matter how recognizable. This last actual Presidential election proved that. Jack is definitely Hillary Clinton in this election.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No bet.

I would have won that one.

First, he contradicts himself. I'm both part of a "hive mind" and I refuse to defend indefensible positions coming from this collective mind. Both cannot be true. Second, in addition to the counter example he provides, there are multiple other examples of me differing from the alleged hive mind. Third, the attack itself is lazy and vague. It's not enough to say that Peter always agrees with Paul in his disagreements with Mary. To make a specific, intelligent criticism, one must show that Peter does so *even when* Mary is right. So regardless of one's ideological leaning, the attack is poorly thought out and holds no water. But anyway, he can help banish me from all WR threads except one by voting for me.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I would have won that one.

First, he contradicts himself. I'm both part of a "hive mind" and I refuse to defend indefensible positions coming from this collective mind. Both cannot be true. Second, in addition to the counter example he provides, there are multiple other examples of me differing from the alleged hive mind. Third, the attack itself is lazy and vague. It's not enough to say that Peter always agrees with Paul in his disagreements with Mary. To make a specific, intelligent criticism, one must show that Peter does so *even when* Mary is right. So regardless of one's ideological leaning, the attack is poorly thought out and holds no water. But anyway, he can help banish me from all WR threads except one by voting for me.

That's the most words to say absolutely nothing I've ever seen.

You're too partisan for anything useful.

You stay away from the threads that bring up issues that make Dems look bad with no excuses for the behavior.

You are a 2008 Democrat in a 2016/17 world; John Stewart's schtick wouldn't work now, and doesn't. I would know, I was a Daily Show fan. Democrats went off the deep end, and you just ignore and keep pretending the issues are the same as the glory days when Faux News were the only hardcore partisan hacks, and the (R)ight had an identity crisis. Things have changed, even though you pretend the didn't.

But let me guess, America doesn't need manufacturing now? The less criminalized, better behaving half really are "deplorable?" The left doesn't have a problem with trying to marginalize white males, while either intentionally or unintentionally sabotaging inner city culture.. You are in denial about what Democrats have become, the way Bush supporters were in denial about Republicans at that time. The establishment on both sides lost touch. And that's you.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That's the most words to say absolutely nothing I've ever seen.

Learn to distinguish between "I'm not smart enough to grasp your simple points" and "you said nothing." Putting the WR aside, that will help you a lot in your life. Also, see my earlier post about bullshit. You gotta care that what you're saying is true, man.

If my esteemed opponent would like to respond to the specific comment of my post, I'd be happy to engage.

 

[Lead]

I would have won that one.

First, he contradicts himself. I'm both part of a "hive mind" and I refuse to defend indefensible positions coming from this collective mind. Both cannot be true. Second, in addition to the counter example he provides, there are multiple other examples of me differing from the alleged hive mind. Third, the attack itself is lazy and vague. It's not enough to say that Peter always agrees with Paul in his disagreements with Mary. To make a specific, intelligent criticism, one must show that Peter does so *even when* Mary is right. So regardless of one's ideological leaning, the attack is poorly thought out and holds no water. But anyway, he can help banish me from all WR threads except one by voting for me.

That's the most words to say absolutely nothing I've ever seen.

You're too partisan for anything useful.

You stay away from the threads that bring up issues that make Dems look bad with no excuses for the behavior.

You are a 2008 Democrat in a 2016/17 world; John Stewart's schtick wouldn't work now, and doesn't. I would know, I was a Daily Show fan. Democrats went off the deep end, and you just ignore and keep pretending the issues are the same as the glory days when Faux News were the only hardcore partisan hacks, and the (R)ight had an identity crisis. Things have changed, even though you pretend the didn't.

But let me guess, America doesn't need manufacturing now? The less criminalized, better behaving half really are "deplorable?" The left doesn't have a problem with trying to marginalize white males, while either intentionally or unintentionally sabotaging inner city culture.. You are in denial about what Democrats have become, the way Bush supporters were in denial about Republicans at that time. The establishment on both sides lost touch. And that's you.

Learn to distinguish between "I'm not smart enough to grasp your simple points" and "you said nothing." Putting the WR aside, that will help you a lot in your life. Also, see my earlier post about bullshit. You gotta care that what you're saying is true, man.

If my esteemed opponent would like to respond to the specific comment of my post, I'd be happy to engage.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Question to
@MusterX , @Space ,@Palis , @snakedafunky , and @HereticBD

If you could pick a VP from these names, who would you choose and why?

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

How very concise

Thank you for your note. Come election day, I hope too be able to thank you for your vote.

 

[m52nickerson]

I knew I could count on you. You were a beast in the Wikileaks thread. You have my support ...unless you are so far behind and I have to vote for someone else to prevent Hillary supporters like:

Vulcan Overpressure
Bribing M52Nickerson
Simple Jack Savage (AKA Hack Savaged)
Merkel Wannabe JDragon

from being elected


I hope that fellow high energy Sherdoggers see that this election is clearly between @MusterX , @Space , @Palis , @snakedafunky , and @HereticBD

Some of the other candidates are good posters but have shown questionable judgement, are too wishy washy, and noncommittal (Panamaican for example)

Hold the others accountable. Don't fall for their lies.

We only have 5 choices people.

Hey, at least I'm honest with by bribe attempt. You on the other hand are not living up to your end of the deal!

 

[Lead]

Just a note. Primary voting will begin Monday, November 28th and will go on for about a week (November 5th likely)

 

[snakedafunky]

Question to
@MusterX , @Space ,@Palis , @snakedafunky , and @HereticBD

If you could pick a VP from these names, who would you choose and why?

No I would not pick any of those puppets as my VP. If I pick any of those as my VP I would essentially pick the international Sherdog establishment and mod team as my VP.
Please remember we the movement for a free WAR ROOM do not run against 14 other "candidates" we only have one opponent: the international Sherdog establishment and mod team an their fight against free speech.

They are puppets such as #Palis the , #HereticBETA or #Space the disgrace. Will be brought down to justice come January 1.

 

[MusterX]

Question to
@MusterX , @Space ,@Palis , @snakedafunky , and @HereticBD

If you could pick a VP from these names, who would you choose and why?

I could channel my inner Trump on this and just say, let me tell you, those are great posters, phenomenal, and If I were president, you're not gonna believe what I'm going to do, its going to be excellent.

Spoiler

Sitting around, just having a beer, I probably get along with all four of those guys. If you make me choose one as VP then the one that has the most support in this election, maybe @Palis , or @snakedafunky . The other option is that I could tap all four of them and let them serve 2 months each beginning in February. I would also give them a placeholder post under the OP to post whatever they like for those 2 months.

Feb.-Mar. - @Palis
April-May - @snakedafunky
Jun.-July - @HereticBD
Aug.-Sep. - @Space

 

[Amerikuracana]

Learn to distinguish between "I'm not smart enough to grasp your simple points" and "you said nothing." Putting the WR aside, that will help you a lot in your life. Also, see my earlier post about bullshit. You gotta care that what you're saying is true, man.

If my esteemed opponent would like to respond to the specific comment of my post, I'd be happy to engage.

Your post was the response that addressed no points, at least not with substance. Nice lead in with the personal attack, however; how VERY typical leftist of you. I mean, your simple point, made in typcal pseudo intellectual fashion, that I would have to prove that the other side is right once in a while to prove you were too partisan to look at things objectively, well obviously I can't go back to every instance you took the only side you ever take, and argue that point. We all know what side you take 100% of time, and that's not a fact even in question. I would say you make valid arguments that could be construed by a majority as "correct" in many of the threads you post in, but that means nothing because you stay out of the threads where Democrats are acting publicly indefensible, and not getting called out publicly for it. You have been HIDING from the tough stuff that caused your side to lose.. You aren't even that good of a shill anymore.

But to repudiate the platitude of daftness one as yourself may expect from one not aligned with the richly enlightened, allow me to use a breadth of language that impresses upon though thy's worthiness of interest in mutual disagreement.. Because even the dullard would know that the language of Jack V is an irrevocable sign of superior intellect and truthiness of point which is not to be under question from those plain speakers who must not hold the key to such rooms of enlightenment. But not really.

I'm in law school, and just missed law review because of a bad summer. Don't pretend your laughable attempts to use heavy language wins you debates. A lot of us could do that, and it's really not impressive. You dodged "You're too partisan" with some BS. Make a case for the merits of a partisan viewpoint, or deal with it some other more direct way. Don't use hilarious analogies that divert and dare I say, attempt to "pivot" away from what needs to be addressed.

 

[MusterX]

Just a note. Primary voting will begin Monday, October 28th and will go on for about a week (October 5th likely)

Are we going to have voter fraud protection? Will you or someone be checking that all votes are legitimate?

 

[Dr J]

....Join the good fight, and vote @Palis as your War Room President.

@Palis, it appears you have your first endorsement from a candidate. Congratulations, sir.

I can confirm he has a good political mind, and I recommend that his support be welcomed by the campaign with open arms.