SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB: Week 85 Discussion - Tuff Turf

[Guestx]

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@sickc0d3r sent us to the 80s for the second week in a row and so we'll be discussing what happens when a very young James Spader and Robert Downey Jr end up in a movie together.

Our Director

There's really not much out there in the way of bio info on this guy. Here's what Wiki says:

George Keith "Fritz" Kiersch (born July 23, 1951 in Alpine, Texas) is an American film director, writer and producer. He is perhaps best known for directing the horror film Children of the Corn and Tuff Turf. Currently, Kiersch is the head of Point Park's Cinema Arts Program.

So he also made Children of the Corn; that's kind of interesting.

Here's his IMDB entry:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0452607

Looks like he didn't make many films and the last thing he completed was in 2006.

Our Stars​

James Spader: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000652

Kim Richards: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001668

Paul Mones: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0597857

Film Overview and YouTube Videos​

Premise: The new kid in school must battle a gang of street toughs after stealing the gang leader's girl.

Budget: ?
Box Office: $9.39 million

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Trivia
(courtesy of IMDB)​

* A body double was used for Kim Richards' nude scene.

* James Spader's first film with top billing.

* Robert Downey, Jr. became good friends with James Spader, and even named his cat Jimmy in honor of him.

* James Spader is merely lip-synching during the piano sing. (No shit, right?)

Members: @shadow_priest_x @europe1 @jeicex @MusterX @Coolthulu @Scott Parker 27 @the muntjac @Caveat @sleepwalk @Cubo de Sangre @sickc0d3r @jasonrest29

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Fairly fun and entertaining flick. I liked the use of live music performances. Cast was ok. I'm a Spader fan and not totally sold on him here. I'm guessing he got the part due to kinda looking like some rich preppy kid. The ending drug out. It's like they didn't think what they had was good enough and kept trying to add more drama. Typical horror movie bullshit where the good guy incapacitates the bad guy temporarily and acts like the whole ordeal is over. I think Spader did that twice. Twice!!

Thumbs up on the Camero.

 

[MusterX]

Alright, well, first of all, thanks to @sickc0d3r for giving us a chance to view this film. I had already seen it back in the day and rewatched it for an infusion of 1980's goodness. Everything from the 80's holds a special place in my life because it was the decade that I basically grew up in. I maintain that sometimes people think they grew up in a decade they really didn't. If you were born in 1980 then you didn't grow up in the 80's, you really grew up in the 90's.

I recall the 1980's in high detail. It was the decade I got my first car, drank my first beer, had my first job, and many other firsts. Tuff Turf feels like the 80's. It isn't some 1980's revival stuff like Stranger Things. Everything about the film makes me laugh. When I went to high school, girls really did have hair like that and dress like that.

I don't know what I can say about the film in terms of critique. I like the film but from a seriously compromised and biased stand point that it reminds me of my youth. The music was on point, the party and dancing was hilariously accurate, and even the school bullies driving a Camaro in circles in the school parking lot is something you would actually see in the 80's. Back then schools didn't have police like they do now, in fact, my high school didn't have a security guard like the one seen in Tuff Turf. It felt out of place.

Instead of going into all the details of the film, I want to leave a video here taken in 1987. It is authentic 1980's life captured on film. It was shot by some guys at 2:30am at a local 7-11. There are a lot of notable things about this 8 minute video but I'll just let it speak for itself. The world was definitely a different place compared to now.

One of the YouTube comments is, "Make America this again."

 

[sickc0d3r]

“I should just kick your ass right now.”
“Yeah? Why? Because I danced with one of your boyfriends?”

How do you review a movie like this and do it any kind of justice (good or bad)? I submit that it is difficult because there is something mesmerizing and ultimately satisfying about it--despite enough flaws, plot holes, and cheesy dialogue to fill a Trapper Keeper—that requires an actual viewing to appreciate.

The opening scene is a wild introduction, as a leather clad bicyclist cruises the rain doused streets of a crummy town after nightfall, his walk-man jamming “Love Hates” by Marianne Faithful, until it cuts away to catch the neighborhood street toughs hanging out near a sidewalk news stand, getting ready to mug anyone with no peripheral awareness that exits the nearby bar.
The caper relies on a clever distraction from the gang leader’s fetching girlfriend. “You got change for a five”? She asks. Well, sure. The lonely business man is happy to show off his wad, and inadvertently seal his fate, or so it seems.

Enter the bike riding mystery man, bursting from the shadows to inexplicably disrupt the proceedings and save the day, wielding only a shaken soda can. His brash move sets us up for a wild ride on the back of a killer soundtrack, magnificently 80’s wardrobe, pure nostalgia, and the raw talent of future a star that easily steals every scene.

It’s gotta be the hair, Cotton! Feathered and lethal.

Sporting a textbook 80’s preppie ‘do and rocking sunglasses while indoors, the mysterious vigilante’s name is Morgan Hiller, played by James Spader. He’s a Rebel Without A Cause, a former rich kid from Connecticut, and now a broke and transplanted Californian since his dad lost his business. He enjoys reading Shakespeare, putting on rooftop rock concerts, and trying to get into trouble any way he can. His Mom doesn’t understand him, but his Dad is pretty cool.

Morgan’s new school (actually, just the parking lot) is also attended by the gang he provoked. Their leader Nick (Paul Mones, who absolutely hates shirts, apparently)
is going to teach him a lesson for his little stunt, and the scene that follows is hilariously over the top yet still fun to watch. Let’s just say Morgan gives zero fucks, and he has a hard on for Nick’s girlfriend, Frankie.

So I think it's time
That you all start
To think about gettin' by
Without that need to go out and find
Somebody to love



The rest of the movie is a repeating series of Morgan making moves on Frankie and Nick punishing him for infringing on his turf. Downey Jr as Jimmy does a great job as the funny friend who thinks Morgan is nuts.
But the real stars are Spader , Mones. and the soundtrack. Despite some lame writing the main characters deliver every line on point and make it fun. Spader and Frankie’s dance scene and subsequent confrontation with Nick during the Jim Carrol set is oddly riveting (see above video for a taste), and the country club serenade is so cringeworthy it’s impossible not to enjoy it.

Mones plays the jealous guy with a temper perfectly. I think the fight in the locker room was well done,

and the warehouse finale delivers in a grand 80's style.

It is overall entertaining in the way only an 80's cheese flick can be, and you have to stay for the credits. It's Rebel Without A Cause, meets Footloose, meets West Side Story, and it's a trip.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

It's Rebel Without A Cause, meets Footloose, meets West Side Story, and it's a trip.

Funny. I was thinking a new wave Footloose while watching it.

 

[the muntjac]

After awhile, I was expecting every scene to be accompanied with a live band playing. Even the scene in the shower where Morgan is being whipped with the towel/lock combo, I imagined a 7-piece band standing in the corner looking on in horror, yet still playing. I also pictured the same thing in the warehouse fight where the music is ramping up, and we cut to a band on a stage jamming out. The band finally notices the fight, and the singer says, "Hey, guys! We reserved this tonight for practice! You can't be here! We're telling Jeff!" Jeff being the warehouse foreman who books out the warehouse for a little money on the side.

Anyways, it was kinda hard to be able to discern which decade this movie came ou-- Okay, I can't finish that sentence, this movie is so 80s. Now, I love movies with that 80s feel to them, and I was pretty excited when this one was kicking off, but somewhere down the line the rush wore off, and I was finding myself getting a little bored. For a premise of a new kid in school getting into trouble with the local bully gang, there's no reason this should be close to two hours long. This movie could have benefited being trimmed down to 90 minutes. The premise of new kid getting into trouble with the local bully gang and getting a girlfriend is not one that needs to be dragged out.

As for that final fight scene, the main bad kid, Nick, is witnessed by Frankie shooting Morgan's dad. Also, the dad survives. Basically, this kid would go to jail based on eye witnesses, and plus when the cops find the weapon on his person. Seemingly, Frankie didn't call the police to tell them what she witnessed. So when Nick calls Morgan to tell him to meet a specific spot, all Morgan would have to do is call the police and tell them where the guy who shot his dad is. But no, the movie couldn't end on a rational note like that. We instead had to see Morgan fight them himself because that was the only true way to end this all because hey, this is a movie after all, and it's supposed to be entertaining. Reality has no business here. Morgan's older brother even says something to the effect that he'll be picked up within 24 hours by the police, and Morgan responds with something like, "Good, I could use all the help I could get." It's as if the movie is acknowledging that a real person would call the cops, but forget it because a showdown must be had! Morgan then leaves a note for Jimmy, which I thought it would be asking him to send the police to warehouse, but really it was just to ask for his help to fight the bullies. Great friend Morgan is. He asks a buddy to join him in a potentially dangerous situation when really he should have just called the police to handle it. What's that, Jimmy? You got shot? So, you're still going to be friends with the new guy? Oh, well apparently judging by that final scene, you are. Hmm. Also, is Nick dead? Or was he just unconscious? If so, did Morgan then call the police and say, "Hey officers, the guy who shot my dad can be found in the warehouse over in the edge of town. You'll see that I had to rough him up first before calling you. What? I should have just called you beforehand? What I did was reckless? C'mon now, I had to put on a thrilling show!"

In the end, this was just an okay movie. It's dressed up in 80s lore that I like and has some entertaining scenes interspersed, but it drags on too long. It's resolutions is half baked, and side stories with the mother and brother really go nowhere other than they didn't approve of his lifestyle, and there's no reconciliation to be found. The father is making a full recovery, I guess, and the main bully might be dead, or in jail, or he just stopped harassing them out of convenience, who knows? Morgan now having a girlfriend was the answer to all his problems, presumably. He'll now never get into trouble again and do better in life like his brother? *shrugs* Like I said, it was just okay.

 

[sickc0d3r]

After awhile, I was expecting every scene to be accompanied with a live band playing. Even the scene in the shower where Morgan is being whipped with the towel/lock combo, I imagined a 7-piece band standing in the corner looking on in horror, yet still playing. I also pictured the same thing in the warehouse fight where the music is ramping up, and we cut to a band on a stage jamming out. The band finally notices the fight, and the singer says, "Hey, guys! We reserved this tonight for practice! You can't be here! We're telling Jeff!" Jeff being the warehouse foreman who books out the warehouse for a little money on the side.

Anyways, it was kinda hard to be able to discern which decade this movie came ou-- Okay, I can't finish that sentence, this movie is so 80s. Now, I love movies with that 80s feel to them, and I was pretty excited when this one was kicking off, but somewhere down the line the rush wore off, and I was finding myself getting a little bored. For a premise of a new kid in school getting into trouble with the local bully gang, there's no reason this should be close to two hours long. This movie could have benefited being trimmed down to 90 minutes. The premise of new kid getting into trouble with the local bully gang and getting a girlfriend is not one that needs to be dragged out.

As for that final fight scene, the main bad kid, Nick, is witnessed by Frankie shooting Morgan's dad. Also, the dad survives. Basically, this kid would go to jail based on eye witnesses, and plus when the cops find the weapon on his person. Seemingly, Frankie didn't call the police to tell them what she witnessed. So when Nick calls Morgan to tell him to meet a specific spot, all Morgan would have to do is call the police and tell them where the guy who shot his dad is. But no, the movie couldn't end on a rational note like that. We instead had to see Morgan fight them himself because that was the only true way to end this all because hey, this is a movie after all, and it's supposed to be entertaining. Reality has no business here. Morgan's older brother even says something to the effect that he'll be picked up within 24 hours by the police, and Morgan responds with something like, "Good, I could use all the help I could get." It's as if the movie is acknowledging that a real person would call the cops, but forget it because a showdown must be had! Morgan then leaves a note for Jimmy, which I thought it would be asking him to send the police to warehouse, but really it was just to ask for his help to fight the bullies. Great friend Morgan is. He asks a buddy to join him in a potentially dangerous situation when really he should have just called the police to handle it. What's that, Jimmy? You got shot? So, you're still going to be friends with the new guy? Oh, well apparently judging by that final scene, you are. Hmm. Also, is Nick dead? Or was he just unconscious? If so, did Morgan then call the police and say, "Hey officers, the guy who shot my dad can be found in the warehouse over in the edge of town. You'll see that I had to rough him up first before calling you. What? I should have just called you beforehand? What I did was reckless? C'mon now, I had to put on a thrilling show!"

In the end, this was just an okay movie. It's dressed up in 80s lore that I like and has some entertaining scenes interspersed, but it drags on too long. It's resolutions is half baked, and side stories with the mother and brother really go nowhere other than they didn't approve of his lifestyle, and there's no reconciliation to be found. The father is making a full recovery, I guess, and the main bully might be dead, or in jail, or he just stopped harassing them out of convenience, who knows? Morgan now having a girlfriend was the answer to all his problems, presumably. He'll now never get into trouble again and do better in life like his brother? *shrugs* Like I said, it was just okay.

Funny stuff!

The plot holes were abundant for sure. I liked how Morgan was busted by the security guard for riding a bike in the wrong area, but the parking lot demolition derby went unnoticed.

Also, leaving a porsche with the top down and the keys in the ignition, at night, in the shitty part of town, seems unlikely. But it did ultimately get Nick out of the way for a while so Morgan could serenade Frankie.

But, obviously Morgan isn't calling the cops, he's a rebel and Nick shot his dad. He wants revenge. He was also decimating the roach population with his darts guns and really wanted a chance to try them on humans.

Most of the writing was gloriously and unapologetically gimmicky like that.

 

[Guestx]

I'd have to chalk this movie into the good-but-not-great pile.

It's interesting to see how young James Spader was in this movie and then look at him today on a show like Blacklist. I just looked him up and saw that he is only 51 years old today, and goddamn does he look more like 61.

It of course was also interesting to see RDJ being so young, and what's up with the girl? Kim Richards?

Looking her up on IMDB I can see that she has continued to work up until this today (or at least until 2015) but she has appeared in very few films. Four feature-length movies, one TV show and a couple of shorts. She's attractive and did a great job in this movie, so why didn't she work more? That's weird.

One feeling I got while watching this film was a remembrance of what it was once like to be very concerned with "being cool." When you're young, so much of life is about wanting to be cool. What you dress, the kind of car you drive, the music you listen to, the way you act and talk, it's all designed to make you look cool. I think that even as an adult, most men continue to do this, but it's not like being in your teens. In your teens, being cool is EVERYTHING.

I was pretty surprised by the tonal shifts, first during the scene where they beat the shit out of him with the locks, and then later--much more severely--during the scene where the dad gets shot. When the dad gets shot, I was honestly taken aback, because I didn't realize we were in THAT kind of movie. And then I was surprised when Nick just pops back up a few scenes later because I figured for sure Morgan and his girl IMMEDIATELY called the police and had Nick arrested, but I guess not. So yeah, in that moment when shit gets real it's like we're suddenly dropped into a different film.

All in all, I thought it was a pretty decent 80s film and I'm surprised I never actually heard of it, but I hadn't. This one flew completely under my radar.

6.5/10 probably. Maybe a 7/10 with a bit more focus on the plot and less focus on song and dance numbers.

 

[Guestx]

The ending drug out. It's like they didn't think what they had was good enough and kept trying to add more drama. Typical horror movie bullshit where the good guy incapacitates the bad guy temporarily and acts like the whole ordeal is over. I think Spader did that twice. Twice!!

Yeah. Agreed. This really stuck out to me as well.

It was like the ending just kept going and going and I was like, "Shouldn't this shit be over already?"

 

[Guestx]

I maintain that sometimes people think they grew up in a decade they really didn't. If you were born in 1980 then you didn't grow up in the 80's, you really grew up in the 90's.

I guess it's all semantics, but I think that "growing up" is a two decade process, not a single decade process. Basically from the time that you're about five years old and go into kindergarten to the end of your teens, that's your "growing up" time. So I when I think about it, I think about having grown up on both the 80s and 90s.

And in fact, perhaps the time period that I look back upon most fondly is that cusp that the late 80s and early 90s fell into. Basically from about 1987 to 1992 feels like an awesome time period to me, and then the next time period that I really look back at fondly is from about 1998 to 2002.

Damn, that's pretty fucking awesome! Good find.

I'd like to see more authentic footage from that time.

 

[MusterX]

“I should just kick your ass right now.”
“Yeah? Why? Because I danced with one of your boyfriends?”

How do you review a movie like this and do it any kind of justice (good or bad)? I submit that it is difficult because there is something mesmerizing and ultimately satisfying about it--despite enough flaws, plot holes, and cheesy dialogue to fill a Trapper Keeper—that requires an actual viewing to appreciate.

The opening scene is a wild introduction, as a leather clad bicyclist cruises the rain doused streets of a crummy town after nightfall, his walk-man jamming “Love Hates” by Marianne Faithful, until it cuts away to catch the neighborhood street toughs hanging out near a sidewalk news stand, getting ready to mug anyone with no peripheral awareness that exits the nearby bar.
The caper relies on a clever distraction from the gang leader’s fetching girlfriend. “You got change for a five”? She asks. Well, sure. The lonely business man is happy to show off his wad, and inadvertently seal his fate, or so it seems.

Enter the bike riding mystery man, bursting from the shadows to inexplicably disrupt the proceedings and save the day, wielding only a shaken soda can. His brash move sets us up for a wild ride on the back of a killer soundtrack, magnificently 80’s wardrobe, pure nostalgia, and the raw talent of future a star that easily steals every scene.

It’s gotta be the hair, Cotton! Feathered and lethal.

Sporting a textbook 80’s preppie ‘do and rocking sunglasses while indoors, the mysterious vigilante’s name is Morgan Hiller, played by James Spader. He’s a Rebel Without A Cause, a former rich kid from Connecticut, and now a broke and transplanted Californian since his dad lost his business. He enjoys reading Shakespeare, putting on rooftop rock concerts, and trying to get into trouble any way he can. His Mom doesn’t understand him, but his Dad is pretty cool.

Morgan’s new school (actually, just the parking lot) is also attended by the gang he provoked. Their leader Nick (Paul Mones, who absolutely hates shirts, apparently)
is going to teach him a lesson for his little stunt, and the scene that follows is hilariously over the top yet still fun to watch. Let’s just say Morgan gives zero fucks, and he has a hard on for Nick’s girlfriend, Frankie.

So I think it's time
That you all start
To think about gettin' by
Without that need to go out and find
Somebody to love



The rest of the movie is a repeating series of Morgan making moves on Frankie and Nick punishing him for infringing on his turf. Downey Jr as Jimmy does a great job as the funny friend who thinks Morgan is nuts.
But the real stars are Spader , Mones. and the soundtrack. Despite some lame writing the main characters deliver every line on point and make it fun. Spader and Frankie’s dance scene and subsequent confrontation with Nick during the Jim Carrol set is oddly riveting (see above video for a taste), and the country club serenade is so cringeworthy it’s impossible not to enjoy it.

Mones plays the jealous guy with a temper perfectly. I think the fight in the locker room was well done,

and the warehouse finale delivers in a grand 80's style.

It is overall entertaining in the way only an 80's cheese flick can be, and you have to stay for the credits. It's Rebel Without A Cause, meets Footloose, meets West Side Story, and it's a trip.

Your wall of text is hard to respond to so I'll just say this. I love the 80's movies and their cheese music and parties. The reason why I do is because in the 80's people, at least young people, really interacted with other people and the world in a different way than it is now, mostly because we're talking pre-internet and cell phone explosion. When I saw the Jim Carroll Band in Tuff Turf I immediately thought of another movie with Robert Downey Jr., and a band known as Oingo Boingo.

 

[Guestx]

How do you review a movie like this and do it any kind of justice (good or bad)?

I struggled a bit myself with this.

. . . and the raw talent of future a star that easily steals every scene.

Spader does have charisma here, but it's interesting to note that he really kind of fell off the map in the late 90s and early 00s, only to eventually be rescued by television.

He's certainly had a successful career, but not an overwhelmingly successful one. Kind of a mid-level guy from that Brat Pack generation of actors (though I think he technically is not considered part of the Brat Pack). More successful than someone like Anthony Michael Hall, but certainly nowhere near as successful as someone like Robert Downey Jr.

. . . and the country club serenade is so cringeworthy it’s impossible not to enjoy it.

The whole country club scene was one of the better scenes of the movie, I thought. It was reminiscent of when the Sausage King of Chicago invaded the restaurant.

 

[Guestx]

After awhile, I was expecting every scene to be accompanied with a live band playing. Even the scene in the shower where Morgan is being whipped with the towel/lock combo, I imagined a 7-piece band standing in the corner looking on in horror, yet still playing. I also pictured the same thing in the warehouse fight where the music is ramping up, and we cut to a band on a stage jamming out. The band finally notices the fight, and the singer says, "Hey, guys! We reserved this tonight for practice! You can't be here! We're telling Jeff!" Jeff being the warehouse foreman who books out the warehouse for a little money on the side.

Fucking LOL. They really SHOULD have done all that. Would've definitely made for a better movie if there had just randomly been a band playing in every key scene.

For a premise of a new kid in school getting into trouble with the local bully gang, there's no reason this should be close to two hours long. This movie could have benefited being trimmed down to 90 minutes.

Agreed. By the end I was really starting to fade. As you say, for a movie like this, it should be a brisk 90 minutes and you're out.

I've mentioned this before, but I really am a fan of the 90 minute movie. More films should aim for this runtime. Get in, hit hard, and get out. Trim the fucking fat.

As for that final fight scene, the main bad kid, Nick, is witnessed by Frankie shooting Morgan's dad. Also, the dad survives. Basically, this kid would go to jail based on eye witnesses, and plus when the cops find the weapon on his person. Seemingly, Frankie didn't call the police to tell them what she witnessed. So when Nick calls Morgan to tell him to meet a specific spot, all Morgan would have to do is call the police and tell them where the guy who shot his dad is. But no, the movie couldn't end on a rational note like that. We instead had to see Morgan fight them himself because that was the only true way to end this all because hey, this is a movie after all, and it's supposed to be entertaining. Reality has no business here.

LOL, yes. I was definitely like, "Why isn't this guy in jail already?"

But since they did decide to go in the direction they did, there are a couple of things this movie lacked that it really needed.

1. Karate
2. Nunchucks

I mean, c'mon, this is a movie from 1985 about a high school kid who has to take on a gang of bullies. It really is something of a travesty that he was not a black belt in karate (or I would also accept taekwondo) and that at no point in the film is a pair of nunchucks brought out.

He could've even used this book to learn how to use them:

 

[MusterX]

I guess it's all semantics, but I think that "growing up" is a two decade process, not a single decade process. Basically from the time that you're about five years old and go into kindergarten to the end of your teens, that's your "growing up" time. So I when I think about it, I think about having grown up on both the 80s and 90s.

And in fact, perhaps the time period that I look back upon most fondly is that cusp that the late 80s and early 90s fell into. Basically from about 1987 to 1992 feels like an awesome time period to me, and then the next time period that I really look back at fondly is from about 1998 to 2002.



Damn, that's pretty fucking awesome! Good find.

I'd like to see more authentic footage from that time.

Yea but you must admit that the milestones are what make the decade. For me, my first car, first girlfriend, first beer, first job, everything came in the 80's. So its a big decade for me. The 90's were a big decade for me as well because I partied a lot in the 90's....a......lot.

So check this out. Those guys went back to that exact 7-11 in 2014 and filmed it to see the differences in people. In 2014 they were 48 years old. Its interesting the comments section on YouTube for the first video and then the comments on the follow up 27 years later are completely different.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Your wall of text is hard to respond to so I'll just say this. I love the 80's movies and their cheese music and parties. The reason why I do is because in the 80's people, at least young people, really interacted with other people and the world in a different way than it is now, mostly because we're talking pre-internet and cell phone explosion. When I saw the Jim Carroll Band in Tuff Turf I immediately thought of another movie with Robert Downey Jr., and a band known as Oingo Boingo.

Hell yeah, Back To School was the shit.

It's amazing how tech has changed us culturally and socially since then. 80's flicks are a glimpse of the long lost, never to return, analogue past that I grew up in and loved. So yeah, I can relate.

Spader does have charisma here, but it's interesting to note that he really kind of fell off the map in the late 90s and early 00s, only to eventually be rescued by television.

He's certainly had a successful career, but not an overwhelmingly successful one. Kind of a mid-level guy from that Brat Pack generation of actors (though I think he technically is not considered part of the Brat Pack). More successful than someone like Anthony Michael Hall, but certainly nowhere near as successful as someone like Robert Downey Jr.

Spader's career is interesting because he was the go-to bad guy, wormy guy, or really nerdy guy, among the popular films in those days, starting right after this role. I think Pretty In Pink was next. Then you've got Less Than Zero, Bad Influence, Wall Street, Wolf, Stargate, etc... he was perfect in those parts, but not the star (though in Bad Influence he was the protaganist, Lowe was defintiley the star). I'd say that's an impressive line up before he dropped off for a while, maybe due to flops like Sex, Lies, and Video Tape and Crash.

And if he ain't Brat Pack he'll do 'til the Brat Pack gets here He acted along side those guys regularly.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Yea but you must admit that the milestones are what make the decade. For me, my first car, first girlfriend, first beer, first job, everything came in the 80's. So its a big decade for me. The 90's were a big decade for me as well because I partied a lot in the 90's....a......lot.

You could be writing my biography.

 

[MusterX]

Funny stuff!

The plot holes were abundant for sure. I liked how Morgan was busted by the security guard for riding a bike in the wrong area, but the parking lot demolition derby went unnoticed.

Also, leaving a porsche with the top down and the keys in the ignition, at night, in the shitty part of town, seems unlikely. But it did ultimately get Nick out of the way for a while so Morgan could serenade Frankie.

But, obviously Morgan isn't calling the cops, he's a rebel and Nick shot his dad. He wants revenge. He was also decimating the roach population with his darts guns and really wanted a chance to try them on humans.

Most of the writing was gloriously and unapologetically gimmicky like that.

When I went to high school in the 80's, my high school didn't have a security guard or cops. It was just teachers, students, and if they needed any muscle they called the coaches, football coach, wrestling coach etc. Nobody fucked with the coaches. The parking lot thing seemed legit to me because that is how it was at my high school. There was always 50-100 students in the parking lot, playing loud music, smoking cigarettes, etc.

It was actually pretty dope compared to the way my kids high school is today. I always said, if you transported my high school forward in time to 2015, we would be hard to handle for the current schools that have cops on duty and demand everyone walk a straight line. My generation was hell raising MF'ers. My wife's high school had a smoking section...for the students bruh. Anyway, that stuff seemed ultra real to me.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I'd say that's an impressive line up before he dropped off for a while, maybe due to flops like Sex, Lies, and Video Tape and Crash.

Not sure how it did at the box office, but Sex, Lies... was a movie that had people talking back then. Chicks dug it in kinda that 50 Shades way.

 

[sickc0d3r]

When I went to high school in the 80's, my high school didn't have a security guard or cops. It was just teachers, students, and if they needed any muscle they called the coaches, football coach, wrestling coach etc. Nobody fucked with the coaches. The parking lot thing seemed legit to me because that is how it was at my high school. There was always 50-100 students in the parking lot, playing loud music, smoking cigarettes, etc.

It was actually pretty dope compared to the way my kids high school is today. I always said, if you transported my high school forward in time to 2015, we would be hard to handle for the current schools that have cops on duty and demand everyone walk a straight line. My generation was hell raising MF'ers. My wife's high school had a smoking section...for the students bruh. Anyway, that stuff seemed ultra real to me.

Remember parking lot fights? Guys used to have beefs and schedule the fight after school, then you'd spend all day getting each other pumped to see them fight, unless you were going to be in it then you hang with your buddies all day and they talk shit about the other guy. Sometimes a really good one would be held at the football field, if it was off season.

Also, muscle cars (I had mustangs), doughnuts, and school parking lots were made for each other.

But the movie had a security guard, so I thought it was funny he'd catch a guy for riding a bike and not see or hear those cars peeling out and spinning around the lot.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Not sure how it did at the box office, but Sex, Lies... was a movie that had people talking back then. Chicks dug it in kinda that 50 Shades way.

I remember hating it, but yeah I guess it might have pulled another crowd. I don't recall much buzz about it though.