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It's way easier on here now with the notifications and all that. It's like logging into facebook or something. Glad some of the original guys are still posting in here. For a long time this was my go to place online to chat and hang out. Really funny times and 'met' some cool people. I did hear the news about HuntersCreed a short while back, very tragic. RIP to him

I miss all you guys. I used to go back and read a block of pages from the original thread here and there, but i think it got lost in the format switch.

It was such a good blend of stubborn, heated debate and cracking jokes.
 
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I really liked 10 Cloverfield Ln I knew next to nothing going in which worked out well. I actually liked the ending which some people seem torn on. I liked that it kinda just kept getting weirder. Goodman was great but he usually is when given a chance. Winstead surprised me though. Didnt think she could carry a role of that size but she did great I think. I actually had to IMDB her after and realized I've actually liked her in most things she just hasnt had many good opportunities. She's cute as a button IMO

I loved it second watch. I almost wish they didn't market it as a cloverfield thing, because i expected weird shit to happen. I would have geeked out way harder if i wasnt half expecting it to get into that territory.

The reason I don't pop in as much anymore is just due to the sad fact that I just don't watch that many movies any more. I don't usually watch movies alone and my wife's school schedule has been a bitch the last year or so. My son moved out and my daughter stays busy doing teenage girl shit. We used to watch a lot of movies at night during the week and we just don't

Ill go see a very relevant movie in theaters once in a while, but i hardly watch on tv now, and when i do it's a lot of stuff I've seen before.

I just come in here cause i like the posters, but my discussing of movies has been lackluster for a really long time now. I returned to form for Mad Max, but I'm mostly just bullshitting in here now.
 
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Ill go see a very relevant movie in theaters once in a while, but i hardly watch on tv now, and when i do it's a lot of stuff I've seen before.
I think I may have seen more movies in theaters this year than home. Star Wars, Batman v Superman, Deadpool and The Witch.

Ive had The Revenant on my computer for like ever and can't find time to watch it.
 
I miss all you guys. I used to go back and read a block of pages from the original thread here and there, but i think it got lost in the format switch.

It was such a good blend of stubborn, heated debate and cracking jokes.

Yeah glory days in SMD. Really cool group of dudes. I swear Yeahbee and I agreed on nothing, ever. Just used to row with him about how shit Braveheart is for pages on end
 
I think I may have seen more movies in theaters this year than home. Star Wars, Batman v Superman, Deadpool and The Witch.

Ive had The Revenant on my computer for like ever and can't find time to watch it.

I haven't heard anything good enough about the revenant to get me to watch what looked boring to begin with.

I saw star wars, cloverfield twice, and bvs.

Was going to see Captain America, but plans fell apart. Maybe this Sunday, if i can round up a few friends.

Yeah glory days in SMD. Really cool group of dudes. I swear Yeahbee and I agreed on nothing, ever. Just used to row with him about how shit Braveheart is for pages on end

Of everyone, i remember his sensibilities the least. I just remember he was a little more serious than the rest of us.

But he did have my favorite post of all time in a thread where you had to draw a cat in ms paint with your eyes closed.
 
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Not to be a dick, but forget about not getting this: If your friend even needs to be told this at all, he's not going to be anybody special

Haha, no worries I realized that a long time ago. I'm just such a pedantic asshole that I feel psychologically compelled to reiterate it everytime we start discussing movies.

(I don't know if your friend is in film school, I just feel like ranting now that you brought this up).

He was in film school - excactly that type.

i started Rio Grande, and was loving it, but got interrupted which sucks

I'm not the biggest fan of Ford's cavalier trilogy (Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Rio Grande), but Rio Grande is probably the best one out of those 3, with Fort Apache being the worst. It's a bit more sombre and serious, which is good since that hokey melodrama that Ford always crams into his films in plentiful doses can be god damn excruciating to sit through (think about how awesome Searchers would have been without it). Maureen O'Hara is also downright regal in it, her character is as plain as any but she still has the power to make you think she's a Queen.
 
I haven't heard anything good enough about the revenant to get me to watch ebay looked boring to begin with.

I saw star wars, cloverfield twice, and bvs.

Was going to see Captain America, but plans feel apart. Maybe this Sunday, if i can round up a few friends
Did you like bvs?

I thought it had some really wtf? Scenes but I actually kinda enjoyed it. Like most Snyder films it got a lot right but what it missed on was missed badly.
 
Did you like bvs?

I thought it had some really wtf? Scenes but I actually kinda enjoyed it. Like most Snyder films it got a lot right but what it missed on was missed badly.

Yeah dude, i didn't mind it. I thought it took a big dive with doomsday though.

I was very interested in the insecure, vengeful batman angle, and after that plays out there's not much to stick around for.
 
You guys are missing out on "the revenant" .... fkin awesome movie !!
 
Yeah dude, i didn't mind it. I thought it took a big dive with doomsday though.

I was very interested in the insecure, vengeful batman angle, and after that plays out there's not much to stick around for.

I agree. The fight is awesome but there's no investment in the characters after the fight between Batman and Superman. Like wonder woman is awesome, the cgi is awesome, the fight choreography is awesome, but there's just no investment for me.

You guys are missing out on "the revenant" .... fkin awesome movie !!

I agreed, it's good enough to warrant a watch. I need to get a HD version to watch and get on that at some point. I've only seen a DVDrip and I enjoyed that a lot. I imagine it will be much better in 1080p.
 
I agree. The fight is awesome but there's no investment in the characters after the fight between Batman and Superman. Like wonder woman is awesome, the cgi is awesome, the fight choreography is awesome, but there's just no investment for me.

Yeah doomsday had no personality, and Luther kind of falls all the way to the background so it's just spectacle at that point.
 
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So before a face-off during one of the Hawks playoff games a few weeks ago (still bummed they got beat :() they were playing the song "Black Betty" and that always makes me think of the movie Basic. I realized that it'd been longer than I could remember since I'd watched that movie, so last night, I fixed that. Upon starting the film, I also realized that it'd been at least seven years since I'd last seen it, because whenever I watched it last, I'd yet to become familiar with Tom Hardy. Had I known him the last time I watched Basic, I would've noticed that John Travolta's character's name is Tom Hardy. Watching it last night, I laughed for a solid minute before I could continue with the film.

It's still a bad ass fucking movie. The lack of attention it got when it was released is inexplicable and the fact that it hasn't since gained any momentum is likewise inexplicable. A military thriller version of Rashomon with Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson directed by John McTiernan? It's a can't-miss. And it doesn't miss. I always thought Travolta was excellent here and I still think that. I wouldn't have been surprised if the writer wrote it imagining Bruce Willis in that role, but Travolta pulled off the down-and-out and the snark brilliantly. Plus, he can pull off silly and wild better than Willis, and combining the many different shades of characterization required in that role is something likely beyond Willis' capabilities but well within Travolta's reach.

I also just love McTiernan's storytelling abilities. He's always such a sure-handed director. You're never in doubt that the guy is in total control of his story no matter how many moving parts it has. And there are a lot of moving parts in Basic. In someone else's hands, Basic could've easily gotten bogged down in twists and pointless reveals. In McTiernan's hands, though, it's an exceptional working out of deception and projection that's both complex but easy to apprehend.

If anybody in here has been sleeping on Basic, give it a watch. And if you've already watched it and filed it away under "meh," dust it off and give it a rewatch.

For tonight, I'm going to have another nostalgia watch and rewatch the movie that I recorded on the same VHS tape as Basic back in the day: Clint Eastwood's film version of Blood Work. It's been even longer since I've seen this one, and I didn't love it as much as Basic (which I watched literally every day for a week when I first saw it, it totally blew my mind), but I remember thinking it was pretty cool. It's also probably the coolest role for Old Man Clint other than Unforgiven and In the Line of Fire.

She was like your version of Weird Science Lisa. Serious movie discussing girl.

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@Johner was a top quality regular too.

I have a vague memory of him coming back once. Otherwise, he just straight up bolted. What you mentioned about YeahBee and not remembering his sensibilities, I don't remember Johner's. I remember his Tory Lane AV but not much else. I think he was one of the ones particularly pissed at me for hating Children of Men (along with Will Jacobs, who I think was the most devastated). I think he joined up with The Hug Dog to give me shit for hating The Assassination of Jesse James, as well.

What happened to @jstorm?

Now there's somebody I completely forgot about. Didn't he write coverage? For some reason I'm remembering him being somewhat in the industry.

And I'm way cooler than Brian.

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I will definitely try to.

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What the fuck is going on btw? Is it 2010 again? I'm talking to JSN in the SMD.

If you @ them, they will come.

I think I went AWOL for like 3 or more years at one point.

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For a long time this was my go to place online to chat and hang out.

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I used to go back and read a block of pages from the original thread here and there, but i think it got lost in the format switch.

Same. Way back, right after the 1000-post cap was implemented, the first few installments got lost/deleted. I thought that was bad enough. When I realized the original SMD was part of the purge, I got really pissed. So much shit got dumped in the migration with no warning.

It was such a good blend of stubborn, heated debate and cracking jokes.

I always have a private laugh when somebody tells me my academic writing is too polemical and intense because the first thing I always think is that it's not shit compared to some of the knock-down-drag-outs that have been had in the SMD. And then the fact that, after, we could still joke around spoke to the characters of everybody involved. The SMD has seriously spoiled me when it comes to discussing movies. No matter how "big" I get in academia, this will always be my favorite place to talk about movies.

Ill go see a very relevant movie in theaters once in a while, but i hardly watch on tv now, and when i do it's a lot of stuff I've seen before.

Just do what I do and post about where you stand in relation to the movies you're rewatching. Basic isn't in the MCU but I'm still posting about it.
 
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Yeah doomsday had no personality, and Luther kind of falls all the way to the background so it's just spectacle at that point.

What I had trouble with was Luthor's motivation. He's hell-bent on killing Superman. Okay. That's fine. But he conjures up Doomsday even knowing that Batman very well might kill Superman for him as he hopes he will. If Batman had killed Supes then what the hell was Luthor going to do with that big malevolent force who can destroy the entire world? Does the kryptonite ship have an abort button? Not to mention if Doomsday succeeded in killing Superman, what would Luthor do after that? He doesn't strike me as- destroy the entire world type of guy but that is essentially what he unleashed.

Also, I really thought it was quite lazy to just have Holly Hunter (who I thought was damn good in the movie) walk away on Lex and then have the other Committee on Superman senator agree to help Luthor and give him 1- unrestricted access to the Kyptonian ship and 2- access to Zod's body.

No single person would have the authority to do that shit. And why in the hell would this guy even give Luthor those things. "Maybe we could help each other.." What does that mean? Did the dude assume Lex would make him rich or something? It seemed very odd and didn't ring true to me at all.

That being said, I thought the action/visuals were great.

To me that warehouse scene was absolutely where it was at. Nolan movies are better in many dimensions and definitely superior overall, but that scene had the best Batman in combat choreography I can think of in any movie.

Thought Cavill, Affleck, and Gadot were all legit.

I also liked some of the questions it raised. Liked, for instance, the sequence that had people like DeGrasse Tyson and Charlie Rose talking about Superman. When Charlie Rose asks Holly Hunter whether she would be comfortable telling the relative of a victim that Superman could have saved your loved one, but didn't because we, on principle, didn't want him to...that was interesting to me. You have this notion that Superman is so head and shoulders above every other individual on earth in terms of ability but your afraid of allowing him to unilaterally decide how he is going to apply that ability. At the same time, trying to control him or constrain his actions seems like an exercise in futility.

Batman's hatred/fear was an interesting angle. Affleck did a great job.

There were definitely weaknesses in the film but I stand in the camp of people who thought the aspects that were well done and entertaining overshadowed the many frustrating, uninspiring or dumb moments.
 
I have a vague memory of him coming back once. Otherwise, he just straight up bolted. What you mentioned about YeahBee and not remembering his sensibilities, I don't remember Johner's. I remember his Tory Lane AV but not much else. I think he was one of the ones particularly pissed at me for hating Children of Men (along with Will Jacobs, who I think was the most devastated). I think he joined up with The Hug Dog to give me shit for hating The Assassination of Jesse James, as well

I remember he was funny and from Norway. And very active. The only 3 things I need.

If you @ them, they will come.

It's proven effective on everyone except @aquamanpunch

Same. Way back, right after the 1000-post cap was implemented, the first few installments got lost/deleted. I thought that was bad enough. When I realized the original SMD was part of the purge, I got really pissed. So much shit got dumped in the migration with no warning.

That was shitty for me too. I put a lot of heart into that thread and had a bunch of my favorite conversations there.

I always have a private laugh when somebody tells me my academic writing is too polemical and intense because the first thing I always think is that it's not shit compared to some of the knock-down-drag-outs that have been had in the SMD. And then the fact that, after, we could still joke around spoke to the characters of everybody involved. The SMD has seriously spoiled me when it comes to discussing movies. No matter how "big" I get in academia, this will always be my favorite place to talk about movies.

You and I have had some epic wars in here. I think there were a couple times where it even got personal for a second (probably just me) and then we'd hug it out by the end.

But it was awesome cause everyone had a stake in every heated debate.

I still plan on responding to your Friday Night Lights post btw.

Just do what I do and post about where you stand in relation to the movies you're rewatching. Basic isn't in the MCU but I'm still posting about it.

The thing is, i was a lot more opinionated then. I argued hard cause i wanted to change minds. I am totally ok with people not agreeing with my taste now. Though we might have to have a talk about Back to the Future and Jaws.

Plus I'm posting from phone, so i am forced into brevity. Even if i were into an argument, the effort it requires to be expository will take me out of it.

What I had trouble with was Luthor's motivation. He's hell-bent on killing Superman. Okay. That's fine. But he conjures up Doomsday even knowing that Batman very well might kill Superman for him as he hopes he will. If Batman had killed Supes then what the hell was Luthor going to do with that big malevolent force who can destroy the entire world? Does the kryptonite ship have an abort button? Not to mention if Doomsday succeeded in killing Superman, what would Luthor do after that? He doesn't strike me as- destroy the entire world type of guy but that is essentially what he unleashed.

That was my initial, and i guess still is my main complaint. Doomsday replaced the conflict and then i felt like i shouldn't have payed attention for the first 2 hours, cause it didn't matter anymore.
 
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Seriously great, that's all. Fun movie. Will have to watch again to see if it still stands up.
That scene with Dominique Swain walking around in her panties... something will stand up.
 
That scene with Dominique Swain walking around in her panties... something will stand up.

The important question is whether anyone was wearing Oakleys in that movie.
 
The important question is whether anyone was wearing Oakleys in that movie.
hmm I think that was the beginning of the designer sunglass era. I remember being jealous of my friend Denny in 1999 because his sister got him a pair of verse sunglasses at cost.

EDIT and they were just a big, stupid looking, gaudy, tacky pair of sunglasses almost assuredly made in China by Luxoticca.
 
These are the shades I would kill for though

KP 4 eva!

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