Reading this through thread is a weird thing. I'm not sure why some can't comprehend that dad's can dole out corporal punishment in a non-abusive way. My dad did. My brother and I both turned out fine. I don't do drugs (including prescription pills), smoke, gamble, or drink and never did. My brother doesn't either. My dad led as much by example as he did with the fear of consequences. Therein lies the difference, it was always leading by example first. Follow me or the punishment is real. It wasn't what's good me isn't good for thee. Do I think every dad needs to do that to be successful? Nope. However, sitting on a high horse and saying it can't be done is wrong. My brother and I did some highly questionable things back in the day. Dad set us straight. I love and respect him for it.