Sean O'Malley Tests Positive For Ostarine Again; UFC 239 Fight OFF

[HoFF]

 

[0-1]

I don't even know what the fuck to be leaf anymore, This is legitimately becoming a joke now. I find it hard to believe anybody can be dumb enough to take the same substance again directly after they failed a previous test that takes a special kind of retard WTF. O'Malley doesn't strike me as being that retarded but stranger things have happend and i hate the idea of giving him a pass if he's a legit cheating scumbag. Hence not knowing what the fuck to even be leaf anymore.

Part of me say's just let them fucking juice but i know there are fighters who want to live clean healthy lives and PED abuse will fuck guy's up long term, especially if its made legal people will be juicing to the absolute gills and these peds comes with a hole host of potential side effects

 

[Deleted member 551049]

Another Dana favorite is now a 'pulsing' victim.

Idiots will believe he's clean.

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

but biological half-life is still totally irrelevant to drug testing.

BHL applies strictly to the parent drug, and even then, has no bearing on detection time, it only determines how long after ingestion before the amount of active compound present is reduced by half.

it has no relevance to any resulting short, medium or long term metabolites.

OK so what are the metabolites of Ostarine and their detection times?

 

[Organic Damage]

If he's not being sanctioned by USADA why is he pulled from the card?

 

[rjmbrd]

Another Dana favorite is now a 'pulsing' victim.

Idiots will believe he's clean.

To be fair, considering its ostarine, he may just be dumb enough to keep taking unapproved supplements.

Don't gloss over the possibility that he's a moron.

 

[kalabula]

So his fight is off, but he didn’t get sanctioned?

 

[dim_]

I don't even know what the fuck to be leaf anymore,

 

[dim_]

To be fair, considering its ostarine, he may just be dumb enough to keep taking unapproved supplements.

Don't gloss over the possibility that he's a moron.

im very much in the "moron" camp. I think its entirely possible he just isnt very bright and doesnt learn lessons very well.

 

[dim_]

OK so what are the metabolites of Ostarine and their detection times?

as i say above, I dont think this is residual.

If the original adverse finding was "consistent" with contamination (despite the fact that they could not find the supplement that caused it) then you have to presume that the amount present was incredibly low.

For that to still be residual nearly a year later, Im not buying it.

But that doesnt mean he intentionally ingested ostarine.


But the point I was making is, people quote half life this, half life that. has nothing at all to do with drug testing/anti doping

 

[dim_]

If he's not being sanctioned by USADA why is he pulled from the card?

because he is licensed by Nevada, and they wont let him fight until they have investigated.

And regarding the "not being sanctioned by USADA". at the moment we only have O'Malley on this, USADA have made no statement. We just have what Sean says which is "USADA thinks its likely it was..." which is hardly conclusively deciding its residual.

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

as i say above, I dont think this is residual.

If the original adverse finding was "consistent" with contamination (despite the fact that they could not find the supplement that caused it) then you have to presume that the amount present was incredibly low.

For that to still be residual nearly a year later, Im not buying it.

But that doesnt mean he intentionally ingested ostarine.


But the point I was making is, people quote half life this, half life that. has nothing at all to do with drug testing/anti doping

They look for the parent drug and its metabolites. Half life has a direct bearing on that. Again, what are the metabolites for Ostarine?

 

[kflo]

lol, i love how the thread started about sean o'malley, and within the first page ended up being about jon jones. jones and drugs/cheating go hand-in-hand.

Because most people don’t know what they’re talking about of course..

 

[kflo]

Another Dana favorite is now a 'pulsing' victim.

Idiots will believe he's clean.

Yeah, they only suspend useless guys like Anderson Silva and werdum. They have to protect the O’Malley’s though.

 

[Sensei Student]

Misleading clickbait title. UFC 239 is not off. Sean O'Malley is off

 

[Deleted member 551049]

To be fair, considering its ostarine, he may just be dumb enough to keep taking unapproved supplements.

Don't gloss over the possibility that he's a moron.

Stupidity is often the most reasonable and correct explanation, particularly when it comes to fighters. Generally speaking, they're some of the dumbest people alive. In this case though, I'll believe it when it starts happening to a lot more guys that the UFC are not heavily invested in. Just look at how many fighters they have on the roster. There is no way to honestly believe that Jones and O'Malley are both coincidentally having these pulsing issues.

It's happened to a couple of other guys but in terms of probability, this is extremely unlikely and I think you'd have to be pretty naive to not realize that something else is going on here. I'm really not someone who looks for conspiracies either, this is just obvious. The two most notable cases just happen to be their active champion who they desperately need to be fighting and the kid that Dana singled out as one of his favorites/future stars? I don't think I know everything that's going on behind the scenes here, I just know a scam when I see one.

 

[dim_]

They look for the parent drug and its metabolites. Half life has a direct bearing on that.

No. Lets say the biological half life of turinabol is 16 hours

How does that bear any relation whatsoever to the "detection window" of metabolite M2 being up to 22 days, and the "detection window" of metabolite M3 being in excess of 60 days.

Biological half life of the parent drug has absolutely ZERO relevance to the detection time of a metabolilte.

I repeat, Half life of a parent drug has NOTHING to do with detection window. For a start, if you ingest 5mg it will be detectable for x amount of time, if you ingest 50mg it will be detectable for y amount of time. half life is biological degradation, not excretion.

Again, what are the metabolites for Ostarine?

The test for ostarine looks primarily for the parent drug Ostarine/GTx024 (C19/H14/F3/N3/O3)

Wada havnt published anything on what specific metabolites they have identified or are used. I could dig on pubmed but because the primary detection is for a parent drug that is detectable for a considerable time its not really relevant.

 

[dim_]

Misleading clickbait title. UFC 239 is not off. Sean O'Malley is off

"UFC 239 Fight Off"

his fight at UFC 239 is off.. nowhere does the title say that UFC 239 has been called off...

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

The test for ostarine looks primarily for the parent drug Ostarine/GTx024 (C19/H14/F3/N3/O3)

Wada havnt published anything on what specific metabolites they have identified or are used. I could dig on pubmed but because the primary detection is for a parent drug that is detectable for a considerable time its not really relevant.

So if they are testing for Androgen Modulators, in this case Ostarine. Then it matters if it has or has not metabolized out of his system. Since they cant pin a metabolite on prior usage. Which has been my point all along.

 

[kflo]

Stupidity is often the most reasonable and correct explanation, particularly when it comes to fighters. Generally speaking, they're some of the dumbest people alive. In this case though, I'll believe it when it starts happening to a lot more guys that the UFC are not heavily invested in. Just look at how many fighters they have on the roster. There is no way to honestly believe that Jones and O'Malley are both coincidentally having these pulsing issues.

It's happened to a couple of other guys but in terms of probability, this is extremely unlikely and I think you'd have to be pretty naive to not realize that something else is going on here. I'm really not someone who looks for conspiracies either, this is just obvious. The two most notable cases just happen to be their active champion who they desperately need to be fighting and the kid that Dana singled out as one of his favorites/future stars? I don't think I know everything that's going on behind the scenes here, I just know a scam when I see one.

Your “scam” is a very public conspiracy with 2 of the leading anti doping organizations in the world. So you should think a bit more about what the motivations would be for them. All public positions for the entire global testing and sports community to assess.