Scottish true crime heads gtfih

[zapataxiv]

I was listening to the excellent podcast “they walk among us”. There was a compelling two part episode about organized crime in Scotland in particular the “alien abductions”.
As a yank I have no familiarity with organized crime in Scotland. But during the episode they mentioned two “clans” in Glasgow, the Daniels clan and the Lyons clan. And about their war?/blood feud.

Anybody here read up on this stuff and can give more info or pint in the direction of more info

 

[JabToucher]

Not exactly what you are after but I found these interesting.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I was listening to the excellent podcast “they walk among us”. There was a compelling two part episode about organized crime in Scotland in particular the “alien abductions”.
As a yank I have no familiarity with organized crime in Scotland. But during the episode they mentioned two “clans” in Glasgow, the Daniels clan and the Lyons clan. And about their war?/blood feud.

Anybody here read up on this stuff and can give more info or pint in the direction of more info

Amazon has a fair amount of books on Scottish organised crime, some of them by "ex"-criminals like Paul Ferris.

 

[KnightTemplar]

The fact that they're called "clans", and gun laws are quite strict in Scotland leads me to believe that your average American street gang would wipe them out within a day.

On their home turf? Certainly. By the same token, any US street gang that tried that in Glasgow itself would find themselves taking up permanent residence at the bottom of the Clyde.

 

[m150]

What number are the episodes?

 

[robotsonic]

I remember listening to some podcast with some Scottish guy once and he was describing how in the 1980s there were ice cream truck wars in Scotland. Like people getting killed over who had the best turf to sell popsicles, hilarious.

 

[AgentSmecker]

This is probably one of the best Glasgow gang documentaries imo. Gives an overview of most of the main players over the years and a good insight into the mentality of mad cunts who would stick a blade in you as soon as look at you.



This one's decent too:

 

[AgentSmecker]

I remember listening to some podcast with some Scottish guy once and he was describing how in the 1980s there were ice cream truck wars in Scotland. Like people getting killed over who had the best turf to sell popsicles, hilarious.

There was a bit more to it than that . They were using the ice cream van runs to sell stolen goods, drugs, cigarettes etc. It was worth a lot of money to them in those days and they were prepared to use extreme violence to protect their interests.

 

[KeiranMc]

Biggest names in Scottish gangland are Arthur Thompson and Paul Ferris from back in the day.

The Daniels/Lyons fued has went on for years with murders on both sides, both from Glasgow, the murder capital of Europe.

 

[Cole train]

Biggest names in Scottish gangland are Arthur Thompson and Paul Ferris from back in the day.

The Daniels/Lyons fued has went on for years with murders on both sides, both from Glasgow, the murder capital of Europe.

That would be kaunas lithuania, glasgow doesnt break top 10

Might be wrong though

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/top-10-deadliest-european-cities.amp

 

[KeiranMc]

That would be kaunas lithuania, glasgow doesnt break top 10

Might be wrong though

Sorry bruh just looked it up, it was second highest murder rate and it was way back in '05.

silly me.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/top-10-deadliest-european-cities.amp

 

[AgentSmecker]

That was the year the UN declared Scotland to be the most violent country in the developed world. The numbers have came down a good bit in recent years but we're making up for it with drug deaths nowadays

 

[zapataxiv]

What number are the episodes?

S3 16-17

Biggest names in Scottish gangland are Arthur Thompson and Paul Ferris from back in the day.

The Daniels/Lyons fued has went on for years with murders on both sides, both from Glasgow, the murder capital of Europe.

What started the war? Was there a time when they were allies?
I saw a article about how domestic crime groups are being pushed out by foreign crim groups, ideas who those players are?

 

[zapataxiv]

There was a bit more to it than that . They were using the ice cream van runs to sell stolen goods, drugs, cigarettes etc. It was worth a lot of money to them in those days and they were prepared to use extreme violence to protect their interests.

What about the aforementioned “alien abductions” from the podcast I gather Was mostly about control of the Scottish drug trade. Was it big news when it happened?

Also in the episode it discussed the police using advanced surveillance methods to track all the members of the group and take down their clique. I knew that cctv I s pretty prevalent over there, but how common is it to have cops doing audio recording devices in the air, homes and vehicles to take down targets?

 

[AgentSmecker]

What about the aforementioned “alien abductions” from the podcast I gather Was mostly about control of the Scottish drug trade. Was it big news when it happened?

Also in the episode it discussed the police using advanced surveillance methods to track all the members of the group and take down their clique. I knew that cctv I s pretty prevalent over there, but how common is it to have cops doing audio recording devices in the air, homes and vehicles to take down targets?

The war between the Lyons and Daniels clan supposedly started back in 2001 when a stash of the Daniels coke was stolen and sold to the Lyons. The first time I heard of the term "alien abductions" was around the time one of the Daniels clan was shot dead in a supermarket carpark. Kevin "Gerbil" Carroll was by all accounts a complete psycho, a particularly nasty piece of work who liked to kidnap and torture fellow drug dealers who usually claimed to remember nothing about their ordeal hence the phrase alien abductions. His execution was all over the news back in 2010.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13215744.gerbo-the-short-ugly-life-of-a-gangland-enforcer/

This is a pretty decent article on the long running Lyons/Daniels feud...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17602952.lyons-and-daniels-inside-a-very-scottish-gang-feud/

 

[zapataxiv]

The war between the Lyons and Daniels clan supposedly started back in 2001 when a stash of the Daniels coke was stolen and sold to the Lyons. The first time I heard of the term "alien abductions" was around the time one of the Daniels clan was shot dead in a supermarket carpark. Kevin "Gerbil" Carroll was by all accounts a complete psycho, a particularly nasty piece of work who liked to kidnap and torture fellow drug dealers who usually claimed to remember nothing about their ordeal hence the phrase alien abductions. His execution was all over the news back in 2010.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13215744.gerbo-the-short-ugly-life-of-a-gangland-enforcer/

This is a pretty decent article on the long running Lyons/Daniels feud...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17602952.lyons-and-daniels-inside-a-very-scottish-gang-feud/

How big are these clans?

 

[AgentSmecker]

How big are these clans?

I can't answer that I'm afraid but this article mentioned hundreds of gang members from both clans under surveillance just in one Glasgow Estate so looks like quite a few. Many of these would probably be low level dealers and lackies though. In terms of main players probably not so many.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...me/300-gang-members-linked-lyons-20798261.amp

 

[zapataxiv]

I can't answer that I'm afraid but this article mentioned hundreds of gang members from both clans under surveillance just in one Glasgow Estate so looks like quite a few. Many of these would probably be low level dealers and lackies though. In terms of main players probably not so many.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...me/300-gang-members-linked-lyons-20798261.amp

Is an estate like a community? Government housing (projects)? A neighborhood?

 

[AgentSmecker]

Is an estate like a community? Government housing (projects)? A neighborhood?

Yeah. Glasgow spilt up into lots of different housing schemes or estates if you will. Most of the ones in the east and North of Glasgow such as Easterhouse, Possilpark, Blackhill etc are all grim as fuck blighted by deprivation and high levels of addiction.

 

[zapataxiv]

Yeah. Glasgow spilt up into lots of different housing schemes or estates if you will. Most of the ones in the east and North of Glasgow such as Easterhouse, Possilpark, Blackhill etc are all grim as fuck blighted by deprivation and high levels of addiction.

So these estates are the ones where the clans mostly operate? Is it pretty clean cut with one estate being Lyon another being Daniels or is it much more muddy than that?