Law School Wouldn’t Let Her Son Opt Out Of Class That Promotes Anti-White Racism. Now She’s Suing

[HereticBD]

You're showing some pretty disgusting character here.

The studies show that blacks suffer unique levels of poverty and discrimination on a systemic level in America, and that unique rates of high crime are due to many unique pressures unrelated to ideas like yours, which seem rabidly petulant and childish.

Your argument seems to take into account zero information of any kind, choosing to simply blame a race of people in complete ignorance. I would ask you to address the information I provided, but I think you'd simply complain and insult me without reading any of it, much like your compatriots.

I feel bad for you. Damn.

Yes, I tend to hold people who commit violent crimes accountable for their own actions, and don't deflect to some weak ass excuse. Silly me.

How "unique" is there level of poverty, compared to other impoverished people, exactly? Why does one poor community tend to be more violent than others? Do poor white or Hispanic people lack a certain trigger point that makes them less likely to lash out in violence, or something? Are you simply saying that blacks are more inherently violent than other races, when faced with hardship? That's pretty offensive if so.

 

[panamaican]

Charter school? Good luck with that. Charters aren't required to follow all of the rules and policies of the school district. I guess they're angling for a settlement.

 

[mkess101]

Charter school? Good luck with that. Charters aren't required to follow all of the rules and policies of the school district. I guess they're angling for a settlement.

Yeah. But the flex they're given varies. I would say maybe a lawsuit isn't the best route here, but it **seems** like the mother has exhausted her other avenues.

It would be really nice if the school actually acknowledged her issues with the curriculum and realized they had a great opportunity to hear the voice of a black lady who's telling them they're getting some things very wrong. But schools seem to be weird about curriculum in general from what I've gleaned from school board members and faculty that I've talked to. They really don't want to be told what to teach, or have their judgement criticized. And I think if we trust them as professionals they do need some leeway. That said this seems like a great chance to absorb feedback and do some real analysis on whether some of what's being taught is actually detrimental to the students.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

You realize just saying "personal responsibility" isn't actually a policy, right?

For the last time, do you have anything to address systemic disparities between blacks and whites in housing, sentencing, education or any other realm? Or is it these shitty boilerplate terms you people didn't realize started as jokes in US newspapers decades ago?

"personal responsibility" isn't a policy but it is a great place to start right? shouldn't personal accountability be accentuated and lauded as well, in addition to addressing these inequalities brought about by "systemic racism?"

I don't think anyone here denies that life can be unfair and shit for many people, and yes...many are dealt an unfair hand at life.

However, what compounds a person's misery and/or failure to climb out of the hell hole/gutter is making unwise and poor personal life decisions.

Here are three decisions that anyone can make.

1) don't have multiple children out of wedlock in high school.
2) stay in school
3) Don't commit felonies.

 

[panamaican]

Yeah. But the flex they're given varies. I would say maybe a lawsuit isn't the best route here, but it **seems** like the mother has exhausted her other avenues.

It would be really nice if the school actually acknowledged her issues with the curriculum and realized they had a great opportunity to hear the voice of a black lady who's telling them they're getting some things very wrong. But schools seem to be weird about curriculum in general from what I've gleaned from school board members and faculty that I've talked to. They really don't want to be told what to teach, or have their judgement criticized. And I think if we trust them as professionals they do need some leeway. That said this seems like a great chance to absorb feedback and do some real analysis on whether some of what's being taught is actually detrimental to the students.

The mother needs to get over herself.

It's a school. They set their curriculum. She doesn't have to like it but she didn't have to send her kid there either. As for her actual complaints - what exactly does she think critical thinking classes are built on? I find this part and parcel of a general problem with liberal arts classes. People who seem to think that such classes aren't built on critiquing the positions of the students. It's not a soapbox or an orator's podium. It's a class, do the work, get the grade move on with your life. Save the bellyaching for times when you have more agency.

I also hate people who say "brainwashing". It's a class, you're supposed to learn something, just because you don't like the teacher's perspective it doesn't become brainwashing. It's just a disagreement on perspective.

While I'm ranting - this is part of why American schools suck. American parents think that they should be dictating curriculum to the teachers. As the child of immigrants and married to an immigrant, I find it hard to believe. My parents said "Do what the teacher asks, learn what they tell you to learn." And if they didn't like the teacher, they shared that with us but we were still expected to treat the teacher and the school with the highest respect.

Hmm, that got a little ranty.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Yes, I tend to hold people who commit violent crimes accountable for their own actions, and don't deflect to some weak ass excuse. Silly me.

How "unique" is there level of poverty, compared to other impoverished people, exactly? Why does one poor community tend to be more violent than others? Do poor white or Hispanic people lack a certain trigger point that makes them less likely to lash out in violence, or something? Are you simply saying that blacks are more inherently violent than other races, when faced with hardship? That's pretty offensive if so.

Yes, we hold people accountable............in individual cases. That doesn't do away with the overall picture, systemically though. The fact you're not even seeing the pitfalls you're running into, man.

If you want an answer to your question on unique and disproportionate poverty in the black community, you can find my post above where I listed statistical analysis from a wide range of sources, and on numerous important facets of American life.

"Do poor white or Hispanic people lack a certain trigger point that makes them less likely to lash out in violence, or something? Are you simply saying that blacks are more inherently violent than other races, when faced with hardship? That's pretty offensive if so."

The fuck is wrong with you, man? Are you serious, or is this a shit-level troll job? Seriously. You're the guys going "Who commits way more crimes, huh?!" without any sort of reasoning whatsoever. You're never willing to actually discuss about how unique lacks of social investment, education or job prospects might lead to people, on average, having worse outcomes in life. It's just the blacks, the blacks, the blacks.

When it isn't the illegals or the Muslims, of course.

 

[HereticBD]

The fuck is wrong with you, man? Are you serious, or is this a shit-level troll job? Seriously. You're the guys going "Who commits way more crimes, huh?!" without any sort of reasoning whatsoever. You're never willing to actually discuss about how unique lacks of social investment, education or job prospects might lead to people, on average, having worse outcomes in life. It's just the blacks, the blacks, the blacks.

I love how you think you made some kind of coherent point with this babbling nonsense.

 

[hillelslovak87]

"personal responsibility" isn't a policy but it is a great place to start right? shouldn't personal accountability be accentuated and lauded as well, in addition to addressing these inequalities brought about by "systemic racism?"

I don't think anyone here denies that life can be unfair and shit for many people, and yes...many are dealt an unfair hand at life.

However, what compounds a person's misery and/or failure to climb out of the hell hole/gutter is making unwise and poor personal life decisions.

Here are three decisions that anyone can make.

1) don't have multiple children out of wedlock in high school.
2) stay in school
3) Don't commit felonies.

When communities need specific issues addressed that relate to funding in the realms of housing, education, sentencing and others, going "Don't pick up the gun" is about as retarded a thing to say. In scientific discourse it's known as being worse than wrong, because it's too dumb to even learn from.

It's HILARIOUS seeing you literally pull the exact argument Ben Shapiro pushed forth before Joe Rogan, of all people, saw right past it.

Here's a hint: A lack of access to #2 leads to much higher rates of #1 and #3. And guess what, solving issues relating to #2 isn't an issue of bootstraps and of personal choice, but of funding, not in a vacuum, but interlocking with other realms of public life, like job access, community programs, and housing access.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I love how you think you made some kind of coherent point with this babbling nonsense.

Would you care to address any of the studies or articles on systemic inequalities relating to blacks in America, or is it more ignorant insults when you don't have any sort of coherent point?

 

[HereticBD]

Would you care to address any of the studies or articles on systemic inequalities relating to blacks in America

What does that have to do with their individual responsibility of committing violent crimes on the reg and at a far higher rate as opposed to other impoverished communities?

Post all the studies you want. Being poor is not an excuse for any individual to rape and murder. You seem to think it is though...somehow...

 

[hillelslovak87]

What does that have to do with their individual responsibility of committing violent crimes on the reg and at a far higher rate as opposed to other impoverished communities?

Post all the studies you want. Being poor is not an excuse for any individual to rape and murder. You seem to think it is though...somehow...

Individual responsibility and anecdote have no place in population modeling and statistics. Why do you keep pushing this basic ignorance like it's some sort of pertinent question?

Damn, man. There are way more than enough studies to show, conclusively, across racial lines, that poverty and lack of social investment lead to higher rates of crime and negative metrics of social health.

How you can't see this, choosing to talk about the choices of hypothetical black individuals in talks involving statistics is fucking beyond me.

If you just took a little bit of time, had an attention span of more than a goldfish and could immerse yourself in studies that are a bit complicated (for one such as yourself), maybe you could learn why unique lacks of investment in things like education and housing, along with inherent biases in sentencing and policing lead to uniquely bad outcomes.......

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

When communities need specific issues addressed that relate to funding in the realms of housing, education, sentencing and others, going "Don't pick up the gun" is about as retarded a thing to say. In scientific discourse it's known as being worse than wrong, because it's too dumb to even learn from.

It's HILARIOUS seeing you literally pull the exact argument Ben Shapiro pushed forth before Joe Rogan, of all people, saw right past it.

Here's a hint: A lack of access to #2 leads to much higher rates of #1 and #3. And guess what, solving issues relating to #2 isn't an issue of bootstraps and of personal choice, but of funding, not in a vacuum, but interlocking with other realms of public life, like job access, community programs, and housing access.

I didn't mention anything about "boot straps" nor do I believe that " if you work hard enough everything will be A-Ok!"

again, lack of personal accountability and making individual bad decisions, such as crime, having children out of wedlock does make one's life exponentially more difficult.
These are things you cannot blame on the "white man" or systemic racism.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Post all the studies you want. Being poor is not an excuse for any individual to rape and murder. You seem to think it is though...somehow...

this is where many leftists, especially SLWLs expose their inherent and implicit racism. they tend to portray people of color, especially black Americans as simple minded, impulse driven and unable to obey the law if things are too unfair/difficult.

 

[HereticBD]

If you just took a little bit of time, had an attention span of more than a goldfish and could immerse yourself in studies that are a bit complicated (for one such as yourself), maybe you could learn why unique lacks of investment in things like education and housing, along with inherent biases in sentencing and policing lead to uniquely bad outcomes.......

That has nothing to do with people choosing to violently victimize people on an individual basis. There is no imaginary dark cloud that forces anyone to rape and murder, no matter how rough they have it. It's an individual choice at the end of the day. You, like the brainwashed goof you are, seem to think that these people had no other choice, because....something or other.

It's so funny watching you try to sound smart, as you vapidly deflect to "studies" to excuse violent criminals of their individual choices and actions.

 

[mkess101]

The mother needs to get over herself.

It's a school. They set their curriculum. She doesn't have to like it but she didn't have to send her kid there either. As for her actual complaints - what exactly does she think critical thinking classes are built on? I find this part and parcel of a general problem with liberal arts classes. People who seem to think that such classes aren't built on critiquing the positions of the students. It's not a soapbox or an orator's podium. It's a class, do the work, get the grade move on with your life. Save the bellyaching for times when you have more agency.

I also hate people who say "brainwashing". It's a class, you're supposed to learn something, just because you don't like the teacher's perspective it doesn't become brainwashing. It's just a disagreement on perspective.

While I'm ranting - this is part of why American schools suck. American parents think that they should be dictating curriculum to the teachers. As the child of immigrants and married to an immigrant, I find it hard to believe. My parents said "Do what the teacher asks, learn what they tell you to learn." And if they didn't like the teacher, they shared that with us but we were still expected to treat the teacher and the school with the highest respect.

Hmm, that got a little ranty.

In a big picture, general high level type view I don't disagree with you really. The issue I have is that this specifically is a teacher giving her perspective that POC are incapable of racism (or that their racism simply doesn't matter due to the power structure in this country). At some point, there has to be parameters in place that a high school teacher (even at a charter school) has to work within. You really think a teacher showing memes that state the racism of POC is meaningless and only white racism matters is "in bounds", so to speak? Men have been atop the power structure too. We've all seen the studies showing how men earn more in the same positions, etc. Would a teacher just be "giving their perspective" if they said sexism only applied to men, that women weren't capable of it (or theirs was irrelevant) due to the power structure in our society? Would your parents (or you as a parent) keep that same view of "Do what the teacher says, learn what they tell you to learn"?

What if a teacher decided to to teach "I don't buy into systemic racism one bit. If minorities or anyone else struggles, it's their own fault. Same with poor white people. It's all a bunch of whining from people who don't have the ability or drive to succeed." I mean, maybe you'd still adivse your kids "Do what he says, learn the stuff. I don't like him or agree with him, but show respect." Maybe...but I gotta think you'd REALLY want to get involved at that point and not just let him "give his perspective".

 

[hillelslovak87]

I didn't mention anything about "boot straps" nor do I believe that " if you work hard enough everything will be A-Ok!"

again, lack of personal accountability and making individual bad decisions, such as crime, having children out of wedlock does make one's life exponentially more difficult.
These are things you cannot blame on the "white man" or systemic racism.

Those things can be blamed on unique lacks of access to education and healthcare.

And when it comes to funding, I'll let Reagan's man lay out the right's strategy:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “, , .” By 1968 you can’t say “”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “, .”

That's who they're appealing to, and that's where the policy direction goes. Now, if you want to talk about how it was Democrats pushing policies near identical in previous ages of American politics, go ahead. Doesn't change the reasoning in implementation of things like the war on drugs, stop and frisk or the broken windows policies, amongst many others.

"Don't pick up the gun" when the guns are all around, but the options aren't.......

 

[hillelslovak87]

That has nothing to do with people choosing to violently victimize people on an individual basis. There is no imaginary dark cloud that forces anyone to rape and murder, no matter how rough they have it. It's an individual choice at the end of the day. You, like the brainwashed goof you are, seem to think that these people had no other choice, because....something or other.

It's so funny watching you try to sound smart, as you vapidly deflect to "studies" to excuse violent criminals of their individual choices and actions.

The studies lay out a clear picture of the situation in America. Far better than personal anecdotes, individual cases or vague calls for blacks to clean up their act in a nation you're not even in........

 

[HereticBD]

The studies

Whenever he types this, he thinks he sounds smart. LOL.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Whenever he types this, he thinks he sounds smart. LOL.

You can't address them, yet you feel so petulantly confident that they don't savage your ill-formed position.

You see people mired in poverty, absent lack of education or jobs, and your position is "Hey, bucko, you know those conditions that have been really bad since well before you were born? I know you're 13, but you can make a change!!"

Except here in the real world, someone simply telling you that fact isn't much anything of help. It takes actual time and investment to change communities.

You offer nothing by simply saying people should make choices in situations they often have zero ways out of. When people are around crime, and the only avenue to survive is crime, they commit crimes. It's not that hard a concept, but you still fail at grasping it.

 

[panamaican]

In a big picture, general high level type view I don't disagree with you really. The issue I have is that this specifically is a teacher giving her perspective that POC are incapable of racism (or that their racism simply doesn't matter due to the power structure in this country). At some point, there has to be parameters in place that a high school teacher (even at a charter school) has to work within. You really think a teacher showing memes that state the racism of POC is meaningless and only white racism matters is "in bounds", so to speak? Men have been atop the power structure too. We've all seen the studies showing how men earn more in the same positions, etc. Would a teacher just be "giving their perspective" if they said sexism only applied to men, that women weren't capable of it (or theirs was irrelevant) due to the power structure in our society? Would your parents (or you as a parent) keep that same view of "Do what the teacher says, learn what they tell you to learn"?

What if a teacher decided to to teach "I don't buy into systemic racism one bit. If minorities or anyone else struggles, it's their own fault. Same with poor white people. It's all a bunch of whining from people who don't have the ability or drive to succeed." I mean, maybe you'd still adivse your kids "Do what he says, learn the stuff. I don't like him or agree with him, but show respect." Maybe...but I gotta think you'd REALLY want to get involved at that point and not just let him "give his perspective".

I'll tell you what I tell my 6 year old - Learn what the teacher wants you to learn but there's a lot of things that schools don't teach you. I'll teach you the stuff they don't cover. And never forget that there's more to any subject than what they cover in the classroom.

So I wouldn't particularly care if a teacher said that they don't buy into systemic racism or any other such thing. I will sit my kid down, explain why the teacher is wrong and still expect him to do what's asked of him in the classroom.

I would tell him what my parents told me. The classroom is not the place for that debate. Learn it, you don't have to agree with it.