Opinion School day length: China v. US philosophies.

Don’t Chinese children also go to school later so they get enough rest? I guy who knew a Chinese women was telling me about this at work.
 
Don Quixote said:
Don’t Chinese children also go to school later so they get enough rest? I guy who knew a Chinese women was telling me about this at work.
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No, primary schools are typically about 7:30am to 4:30pm.
 
panamaican said:
I recently ran across an article discussing China's push to extend their school days.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/china-extends-school-day-to-ease-burden-of-parenting-1069700

The main points are the Chinese government is pushing primary and middle schools to keep kids at school longer to ease the burden on working parents.


The driving force seems to be realization that the modern workday and the modern school day don't overlap and it is creating a significant burden on working families, especially given their desire to increase the birthrate.

It had me thinking. This issue, the difference between the school day and the work day, is an issue that we've talked about in the U.S. for quite a while. People have constantly pointed out how that issue hurts working families making it harder for them in a variety of ways compared to families who can afford after school care or have a stay at home parent who can step in.

Yet the frequent response here, in the U.S., is that those concerns are just an attempt to avoid the responsibilities of parenting and educating their children.

I think it's an interesting juxtaposition that China experiences the same problem and reaches a completely different conclusion on what it means and what should be done about it. And since this is about education, an area, where China's approach is frequently praised compared to ours (at least when conversations about meritocratic education are being held), I thought it might generate some interesting debate.

Are the Chinese in the wrong to use the school and longer school hours to take the childcare burden off of families?
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No but teacher unions will never let it happen. In china if you disagree they just murder everyone you've ever met
 
panamaican said:
I recently ran across an article discussing China's push to extend their school days.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/china-extends-school-day-to-ease-burden-of-parenting-1069700

The main points are the Chinese government is pushing primary and middle schools to keep kids at school longer to ease the burden on working parents.


The driving force seems to be realization that the modern workday and the modern school day don't overlap and it is creating a significant burden on working families, especially given their desire to increase the birthrate.

It had me thinking. This issue, the difference between the school day and the work day, is an issue that we've talked about in the U.S. for quite a while. People have constantly pointed out how that issue hurts working families making it harder for them in a variety of ways compared to families who can afford after school care or have a stay at home parent who can step in.

Yet the frequent response here, in the U.S., is that those concerns are just an attempt to avoid the responsibilities of parenting and educating their children.

I think it's an interesting juxtaposition that China experiences the same problem and reaches a completely different conclusion on what it means and what should be done about it. And since this is about education, an area, where China's approach is frequently praised compared to ours (at least when conversations about meritocratic education are being held), I thought it might generate some interesting debate.

Are the Chinese in the wrong to use the school and longer school hours to take the childcare burden off of families?
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After X number of hours kids get burned out. They aren't going to learn much , are too tired and just wanna go home / relax or play sports. By the time 2:00pm - 3:00 pm rolls around, kids are done studying for the day.

Japan is proposing a 4 day work week.

Japan proposes four-day working week to improve work-life balance
https://www.dw.com/en/japan-work-life-balance/a-57989053
 
I see a lot of posts addressing student burnout from academic coursework. What China is proposing is more like extracurriculars.

The ministry called on schools to “enrich” after-school classes by carrying out “a variety of cultural and sports activities, reading, interest groups and club activities”.

The ministry said it would improve funding for such services but that provincial authorities should work out specific policies, adding that “arbitrary fees in the name of after-school services are strictly prohibited”.
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ElKarlo said:
Smaller schools is the Sandler to so many of the issues at hand. There’s no reason to have massive institutions that need huge support staffing.
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Would make for smaller class sizes.
 
Something that I have always argued for is different school shifts. We expect workers of all sorts to take on different shifts, but outside of incredibly niche schools, there are no schools that have schedules to accommodate this.
 
My local schools all have an optional after-school child care service where parents pay a flat 6$ fee per day and employees watch the kids as they play until the parents come to pick them. The time limit is 19h30. They already had this when I was a kid and I was always one of the last kids to get picked up, FML.

Lol @ these convoluted state-level mandates when every non-US western country has already figured this out with granular measures.
 
panamaican said:
I see a lot of posts addressing student burnout from academic coursework. What China is proposing is more like extracurriculars.
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Maybee they could provide bunks for the kids to take a nap ?
 
School hours are fucking nuts. I had to be up at 5 am to make it to the bus stop at 5:45 so I could ride a bus for over an hour and be in class at 7:30 start time. Then we finished at like 3:30.
 
Summer vacation is a joke. It’s an absolute abomination that a profession gets three months off and still cries about salaries that aren’t annualized when reported. The days are also too short during the school year.

Couple all that with leftist teachers and children of parents who don’t give a shit and you end up with graduating classes of future ANTIFA and BLM undereducated and overconfident, indoctrinated racists.
 
cooks1 said:
You don't convince today's teens and pre-teens to give up their summers. You restructure things from jump so the entire concept of a 3 month summer vacation does not even exist in the psyche of the teens and pre-teens that are being born today.

Also, when taking summer 'classes' that they got to 'choose' that they are not being 'graded on', you will find that the difference between 'school' and 'camp' gets pretty blurry.

And it's not like there would be no vacations whatsoever. You would still probably have a 1-2 week break while the school was retooled for the summer curriculum, and another 1-2 week break to get it ready again for the call.
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Yeah could be a 4-6 week program in the middle of the summer, or something that runs almost the length of summer for 3 days a week.

Either one would help a family out and keep the kids doing something positive
 
ElKarlo said:
Itd also probably reduce crime in bad areas. As you’re with your immediate neighbors and not complete strangers piled in a building
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We have too many people. The agricultural revolution was a mistake.
 
CubicleGangster said:
We have too many people. The agricultural revolution was a mistake.
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Well without genocide
Anyhow why do you need one massive school instead of 10–15? There’s no need to centralize everything and make it like we are doing everything on the battalion level
 
ElKarlo said:
Well without genocide
Anyhow why do you need one massive school instead of 10–15? There’s no need to centralize everything and make it like we are doing everything on the battalion level
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Less space and money would be my guess.
 
DavidsGhost said:
Why not just reduce the amount of time people spend at work?

This is a wild question. It’s like it’s assuming people HAVE to work longer. And if that’s the case, then what options are there to address the problem?

My thought is that we need to spend less time working on the states and more time enjoying our friends and family and on personal edification.
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Yeah fuck the 6 day work week.

I cant believed people settled for that for a long time
 
Lol rather than shortening work days and increasing pay, Americans want to lengthen school days so it doesnt interfere with their responsibility of being a wage slave.
 
CubicleGangster said:
Less space and money would be my guess.
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I think it’s an ineffective way to gather everyone and teach them. There’s def diminishing returns on efficiency when you’re liking hundreds of thousands in a building
 
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