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[PUO3]

The ketogenic diet is real, but virtually unnecessary for all but the most desperate epileptic patients.

Think people just respond differently to carbs or certain foods. I have to cut calories to a drastic number if I maintain carb intake to drop weight. I can reat more calories without the carbs and it comes off quickly.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Eat less than a 100 grams pf carbs for a few weeks and you will enter ketosis.

That's not possible. I love cooking too much pasta then trying to eat it all.

 

[senri]

Nope. I've lowered carbs, and shifted to more protein but I'm not into the stupid shit that seems to be popular. I have a buddy married to a 5'0" girl who has never been athletic. Now she's doing crossfit and olympic lifts, and consuming 2 7oz steaks a day. She's gonna fuck up her kidneys. I told her that and she thinks I don't know what i'm talking about - LOL.

You go girl -- and stick to that crossfit 'bro science!

I'm with Durianrider on youtube (an ex-pro cyclist ) who rightly says, you can't train full gas on ketosis. The train low race high stuff is bunk.

You also know Mr Durian is a psychopath?

From what you're telling me is you eat enough food to not put you in ketosis. I wouldn't suggest you do, was more curious about your diet. Sapiens are at their happiest and sweetest when adequate levels of glycogen are housed inside of them.

 

[senri]

That's not possible. I love cooking too much pasta then trying to eat it all.

Good, the body is at it's best when gorged with glycogen.

 

[Joe Wong]

is @faustian studying to be a bounty hunter?

Faust be like:

 

[therealdope]

I guess it depends on your definition of "necessary." It works well for me, it's similar to what my ancestors would have eaten coming from Siberia and Mongolia. Eating lots of carbs leaves me feeling lethargic.

Edit: you're right it's not necessary for me to be ketogenic, but I basically just naturally will be by cutting out carbs anyways. I don't go crazy about it, I just eat what makes me feel good.

I won't disagree that it is VERY easy to over eat carbs but basing a diet on what your ancestors in Siberia ate is not a great idea because they probably also only lived to 38 yrs of age, and likely died of starvation or infection. There wasn't a lot of fine dining at Chiascuro or Boulevard back in their day.

 

[senri]

The ketogenic diet is real, but virtually unnecessary for all but the most desperate epileptic patients.

That's right and it has its merits in disorsered patients, amd endurance related sports up to a point. Beyond that it is a severe determinant to health and athletic performance when it comes to strength and explosive abilities. Folks who think they are in ketosis are simply over consuming so much protein that it converts to glucose anyway. They are essentially eating indirectly very expensive glucose.

 

[therealdope]

Think people just respond differently to carbs or certain foods. I have to cut calories to a drastic number if I maintain carb intake to drop weight. I can reat more calories without the carbs and it comes off quickly.

Consuming calories and storing calories are two different things. I have drastically reduced my carb intake because I dont' spend 5hrs/day training. OTOH, I'm nowhere near ketosis. That level of extremeness is unnecessary. You need some carbs to train. Training in ketosis is like chopping off your left foot; you're just making it unnecessarily harder on yourself.

 

[senri]

I won't disagree that it is VERY easy to over eat carbs but basing a diet on what your ancestors in Siberia ate is not a great idea because they probably also only lived to 38 yrs of age, and likely died of starvation or infection. There wasn't a lot of fine dining at Chiascuro or Boulevard back in their day.

In reality carb consumption should be based on phsyical daily activity as well as strenuous cognitive usage and how insulin sensitive one is. For those who are slightly insulin resistant, just play around with lowering carbs to adequately trigger fat loss which in effect will make the individual more insulin sensitive. Exercise will further compound this effect.

 

[therealdope]

You also know Mr Durian is a psychopath?

Pretty much but he can still sustain 400W+ well past his prime. The last time I did MAP test I cacked out at 350W -- never mind trying to hold that for 20mins.

 

[senri]

Pretty much but he can still sustain 400W+ well past his prime. The last time I did MAP test I cacked out at 350W -- never mind trying to hold that for 20mins.

Is that legit from Mr Durian?

 

[therealdope]

In reality carb consumption should be based on phsyical daily activity as well as strenuous cognitive usage and how insulin sensitive one is. For those who are slightly insulin resistant, just play around with lowering carbs to adequately trigger fat loss which in effect will make the individual more insulin sensitive. Exercise will further compound this effect.

Now I'm really scared that @senri is posting sensible stuff. Be afraid!!

Insulin resistance and NAFLD are reversible -- thankfully.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I won't disagree that it is VERY easy to over eat carbs but basing a diet on what your ancestors in Siberia ate is not a great idea because they probably also only lived to 38 yrs of age, and likely died of starvation or infection. There wasn't a lot of fine dining at Chiascuro or Boulevard back in their day.

Lol my diet isn't based on starvation or Siberian foods, just saying that I don't perform well when I get too many carbs. I guess the "broscience" aspect of it would be my connecting it to what my ancestors would have eaten but that connection makes some logical sense to me. Basically I don't eat grains or rice but do eat lots of veggies and healthy fats, and I don't overdo the protein. I'm not an endurance athlete like you, but I can do a triathlon just fine on this kind of diet.

 

[senri]

Now I'm really scared that @senri is posting sensible stuff. Be afraid!!

Insulin resistance and NAFLD are reversible -- thankfully.

Indeed it is. But some golks still are more insulin resistant/sensitive than others. Sensible choices however is not always reversible.

 

[senri]

Lol my diet isn't based on starvation or Siberian foods, just saying that I don't perform well when I get too many carbs. I guess the "broscience" aspect of it would be my connecting it to what my ancestors would have eaten but that connection makes some logical sense to me. Basically I don't eat grains or rice but do eat lots of veggies and healthy fats, and I don't overdo the protein. I'm not an endurance athlete like you, but I can do a triathlon just fine on this kind of diet.

It just means you are slightly insulin resistant. Exercise and diet will help you, but it seems to me you are in the right track. Continue to unsweeten the body intelligently, but cycle some carbs if you want to oscillate your flesh in an explosive manner.

 

[therealdope]

That's right and it has its merits in disorsered patients, amd endurance related sports up to a point. Beyond that it is a severe determinant to health and athletic performance when it comes to strength and explosive abilities. Folks who think they are in ketosis are simply over consuming so much protein that it converts to glucose anyway. They are essentially eating indirectly very expensive glucose.

Endurance athletes trying to train in ketosis are playing with fire. Even in something like a 6hr+ effort where you go into "efficient fat metabolism mode" (which is what we used to call ketosis), you still need some sugar for your brain. You're playing with fire not providing glucose for the brain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitting_the_wall).

 

[PUO3]

Consuming calories and storing calories are two different things. I have drastically reduced my carb intake because I dont' spend 5hrs/day training. OTOH, I'm nowhere near ketosis. That level of extremeness is unnecessary. You need some carbs to train. Training in ketosis is like chopping off your left foot; you're just making it unnecessarily harder on yourself.

Big difference between training for performance and working out to lose weight though.

 

[therealdope]

Lol my diet isn't based on starvation or Siberian foods, just saying that I don't perform well when I get too many carbs. I guess the "broscience" aspect of it would be my connecting it to what my ancestors would have eaten but that connection makes some logical sense to me. Basically I don't eat grains or rice but do eat lots of veggies and healthy fats, and I don't overdo the protein. I'm not an endurance athlete like you, but I can do a triathlon just fine on this kind of diet.

There is a zero chance you are actually training or racing in ketosis -- that's the only point I wanted to make. Nothing wrong with simple foods aka paleo diet. High carbs are definitely tough on the system.

I try not to eat any starch with dinner and rarely buy bread. As someone who grew up on baked goods in Europe (I actually lived next to a bakery at one point!!) it's very tough to do but it makes a huge difference.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I eat carbs all day, every day

yet I don't gain weight
I'm beginning to think I have some form of Lipodystrophy

 

[therealdope]

Is that legit from Mr Durian?

Watch his video where he drops the Sky riders on corkscrew hill in Adelaide. He's way out of my league now.