SARMs to become illegal

[Verace]

There is a bill likely to pass in the US senate right now that would make SARMs a controlled substance/schedule III drug.

In recent years, many UFC fighters have been caught by USADA using these compounds:
Amanda Ribas
Josh Barnett
Tim Means
Yoel Romero
Tom Lawlor
Ruslan Magomedov
Zubaira Tukhugov

Usually the excuse for all these cases have been the infamous "tainted supplement".

Which is a reasonable excuse for these compounds as they were sold(and possibly manufactured) in the same places people would find other regular FDA approved supplements.
Even though they are not supplements, there was a loophole where it allowed them to be sold as "research chemicals, not for human consumption". And many supplement companies incorporated them into their array of products.

Now, if this bill passes(and all indicates that it will), SARMs are likely going away(at least from the legitimate market), making the odds for accidentally consuming a tainted supplement with these compounds even lower.

Its not like most people believed the excuse anyway already, but soon the tainted supplement case for cases flaged by SARM use might be even less likely.

The link below isnt exactly about the bill i mention, but it ties into:
https://mmajunkie.com/2018/05/usada...supplement-contamination-cases-go-after-sarms

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[WinZip]

Aren't most steroids also controlled substances? I don't see what difference a law will make when it's never enforced. DEA etc. has bigger things to worry about than SARMs or even steroids.

 

[capnlarge]

"Tainted supplement" is a reasonable excuse in the same way "the dog ate my homework" is a reasonable excuse.

 

[Epicness]

0% of pro athletes that get popped using a SARM is using just that substance

Sidenote i knew a bunch of kids in highschool that did just take a SARM stacked with nothing else trying to get big and now they all have tits

 

[JoshR86]

That' ridiculous, in a big advocate for SARMS and they shouldn't be illegal.

1st off it isn' like steroids where the more you use the more benefits you get.

Mk-667 best dose is 25mg's a day, more then that your wasting your time, so nobody can abuse SARM's, like steroids where the guy whose taking more had the advantage.

The other aspect is, there are no negative health effects associated with SARM's, your not going to destroy your liver, your not going to fuck with your natural hormonal production, there are no health concerns associated with them

I don't see why they are making it illegal, makes no sense.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Yeah because making things illegal stops people from using them.

 

[rmongler]

We should have the best athletes science can provide.

 

[Verace]

Aren't most steroids also controlled substances? I don't see what difference a law will make when it's never enforced. DEA etc. has bigger things to worry about than SARMs or even steroids.

Yes, but you cant buy steroids without prescription. You buy them on the black market.

You dont see steroids being produced in the same places where they manufacture creatine for example. So the likeness of having tainted creatine with roids is minute. (unless you are jon jones, then i 100% believe that to be the case )

SARMs on the other hand, since they were sitting on this grey area, had been incorporated into many brands supplement line.

Im not an expert in supplement manufacturing, but its my understanding that these could get contaminated from using the same incapsulator machine or something like it.

Now, with them being illegal, these supplement companies wont have them in their facilities anymore, so the contamination becomes way more unlikely.

Most of these SARM cases in MMA were acquitted by the athlete providing a supplement that was actually contamined.

 

[Sean Long]

Aren't most steroids also controlled substances? I don't see what difference a law will make when it's never enforced. DEA etc. has bigger things to worry about than SARMs or even steroids.

Maybe you are correct at the national level......but not the local level. People are still being arrested for weed......local cops will love something like this as well.

 

[BlameTheMedia]

Yeah let's ban things that are less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol ( in proper dosages) To protect the kids. Lmao sarms are the only thing that work right now aside from roids.

 

[Sean Long]

Now, with them being illegal, these supplement companies wont have them in their facilities anymore, so the contamination becomes way more unlikely.

Not likely. Most of these supplement companies put trace amounts of SARM's in their products so their products "work" better than the competition. Unlikely to stop them from doing this.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Aren't most steroids also controlled substances? I don't see what difference a law will make when it's never enforced. DEA etc. has bigger things to worry about than SARMs or even steroids.

USADA doesn't allow many legal substances. and many of those legal substances that are disallowed by USADA can be found in less reputable, non-third-party-tested supplements.

as TS says, this bill would close that gap. a tad. it will help. not that much IMO, but some.

longer term, the fighters really need to start limiting their supplements to the fairly long list of reputable, 3rd party tested supplements. it actually is that simple.

 

[Verace]

your not going to fuck with your natural hormonal production

Yes they do fuck with your endocrine system. SARMs are very suppresive for your natural testosterone production. It is actually recommended you run them with a "test base" because your natural test levels are going down while you are on them.

SARMs attach to the androgen receptor. The androgen receptor is part of a feedback loop where your body regulates your natural hormone production.
Testosterone binds to these receptors. If your body realizes these receptors already have stuff binded to them it understands there is no need to produce more testosterone as the receptors are already filled.

Sidenote i knew a bunch of kids in highschool that did just take a SARM stacked with nothing else trying to get big and now they all have tits

The stuff i talk about above is the reason for that.

It has been theorized that once you start taking sarms, even though they dont aromatize/convert to estrogen, since your receptors are quickly "filled" by them, your bodys own natural testosterone has no place to attach to and all this free test laying around has nothing to do, so your body converts it to estrogen.
Also, once you go off them your endocrine system will be suppressed and it will start trying to regulate itself back up. The natural balance might go all out of whack and create a testosterone to estrogen ratio disparity which can lead to that.
These are the two possible scenarios to explain that, as far as i know.

 

[Sean Long]

Yeah let's ban things that are less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol ( in proper dosages) To protect the kids. Lmao sarms are the only thing that work right now aside from roids.

Wrong......DHEA.......ask Machida.

 

[Fraz]

Holy shit, The Umbrella Corporation won't stand for this.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Not likely. Most of these supplement companies put trace amounts of SARM's in their products so their products "work" better than the competition. Unlikely to stop them from doing this.

right. what's the risk of getting caught? small. it took Barnett testing + by USADA for Genkor to get caught. and then what? it's not like Homeland Security is going to do a raid on a lab in China or Mexico. at worst they go out of business and start a new one. but then they have to get it back into the stores, etc. it's a massive inconvenience.

and keep in mind, what Barnett tested + for was not a SARM. this bill would have had no effect whatsoever on that situation from Dec 2016.

the fact that less reputable supplements do work better than 3rd party batch tested supplements should say it all.

 

[Verace]

Not likely. Most of these supplement companies put trace amounts of SARM's in their products so their products "work" better than the competition. Unlikely to stop them from doing this.

Im not sure i subscribe to that...

Do you have actual proof of cases like this?

Plus, it makes no sense to spike a product with another more expensive one. Besides the risks you are taking as a company by doing this.

 

[Verace]

it's not like Homeland Security is going to do a raid on a lab in China or Mexico.

they did raid enhanced athlete just like last month or something

 

[Sean Long]

Plus, it makes no sense to spike a product with another more expensive one. Besides the risks you are taking as a company by doing this.

"Trace" amounts add minimal expense to the manufacturing process. These companies want to "win" in the sales battle as badly as athletes want to win in the octagon.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

they did raid enhanced athlete just like last month or something

got a source? i'm curious. simple google searching got me nothing but this, from the UK.