Samurai Vs Shaolin monk... who takes it?

[chino0503]

i just wanna hear peoples opinion on who would win and why.

imo i think the samurai wins hands down. without a doubt, for many reasons

1. mindset. the samurai was built for warfare, they're groomed to be soldiers on the front line killing machines. monks are peaceful people. they train to defend themselves and not for war.

2. the monk shows his worth by demonstrations and "test of strength" like 2 finger, push up/hand stands, doing flips on their heads and stuff like that. samurai's proved themselves with centuries of war and countless of lives lost.

3. monks are flashy with their techniques. they use they're weapons more as a show.... for example. they will throw a 360 cartwheel kick and swing a sword or whatever they have around their heads and do some fancy stuff. while the samurai uses very very very subtle, less flashy techniques.. stuff that gets the job done quick, fast, efficient and easy.

4. samurai's are the superior grapplers. we all know jiu jitsu is arguably the most effective grappling art in the world.

5. weapons. samurai has armor and lets face it.... the samurai sword was the most feared dangerous weapon before guns came out. i'll be willing to bet that the samurai sword has taken more lives than all the shaolin weapons combined.

samurais proved their worth with hundreds of years of warfare... while monks demonstrate.

so who do you think takes this.... and why?

 

[chino0503]

oh and if they had the "sport of fighting" in those days too. i bet the samurai would kick the shit out of a shaolin monk under mma rules, boxing rules, kickboxing rules... whatever. samurais were superior warriors.

 

[ShiningElune]

I think Hercules has the most legit chance he will smash them all.

 

[neosatus]

i just wanna hear peoples opinion on who would win and why.

imo i think the samurai wins hands down. without a doubt, for many reasons

1. mindset. the samurai was built for warfare, they're groomed to be soldiers on the front line killing machines. monks are peaceful people. they train to defend themselves and not for war.

2. the monk shows his worth by demonstrations and "test of strength" like 2 finger, push up/hand stands, doing flips on their heads and stuff like that. samurai's proved themselves with centuries of war and countless of lives lost.

3. monks are flashy with their techniques. they use they're weapons more as a show.... for example. they will throw a 360 cartwheel kick and swing a sword or whatever they have around their heads and do some fancy stuff. while the samurai uses very very very subtle, less flashy techniques.. stuff that gets the job done quick, fast, efficient and easy.

4. samurai's are the superior grapplers. we all know jiu jitsu is arguably the most effective grappling art in the world.

5. weapons. samurai has armor and lets face it.... the samurai sword was the most feared dangerous weapon before guns came out. i'll be willing to bet that the samurai sword has taken more lives than all the shaolin weapons combined.

samurais proved their worth with hundreds of years of warfare... while monks demonstrate.

so who do you think takes this.... and why?

For reals?

 

[Karaev fan]

oh and if they had the "sport of fighting" in those days too. i bet the samurai would kick the shit out of a shaolin monk under mma rules, boxing rules, kickboxing rules... whatever. samurais were superior warriors.

Where do you think ju-jutsu comes from?

 

[chino0503]

For reals?

yes im for reals... im very curious to see peoples opinions. because the truth is... this comparison applies to modern day martial arts.

and correct me if im wrong... jiu jitsu comes from japan...... :\

 

[ironbismark]

the shaolin monks always win in all the shaw brothers documentaries i've seen

 

[ALDOallday]

an elite warrior vs a priest? I hope that monk is either Jet Li or Donnie Yen

 

[theferds]

Fairy tales!!!!!

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Is this the next episode of Deadliest Warrior?

 

[Inquisitus]

i just wanna hear peoples opinion on who would win and why.

imo i think the samurai wins hands down. without a doubt, for many reasons

1. mindset. the samurai was built for warfare, they're groomed to be soldiers on the front line killing machines. monks are peaceful people. they train to defend themselves and not for war.

2. the monk shows his worth by demonstrations and "test of strength" like 2 finger, push up/hand stands, doing flips on their heads and stuff like that. samurai's proved themselves with centuries of war and countless of lives lost.

3. monks are flashy with their techniques. they use they're weapons more as a show.... for example. they will throw a 360 cartwheel kick and swing a sword or whatever they have around their heads and do some fancy stuff. while the samurai uses very very very subtle, less flashy techniques.. stuff that gets the job done quick, fast, efficient and easy.

4. samurai's are the superior grapplers. we all know jiu jitsu is arguably the most effective grappling art in the world.

5. weapons. samurai has armor and lets face it.... the samurai sword was the most feared dangerous weapon before guns came out. i'll be willing to bet that the samurai sword has taken more lives than all the shaolin weapons combined.

samurais proved their worth with hundreds of years of warfare... while monks demonstrate.

so who do you think takes this.... and why?

Samurai. They're the professional, battle tested warriors. Period.

They'd probably lose in a pure un-armored striking match as there's no point for armored warriors on horseback to punch or kick each other barehanded. That's what the blades are for.

 

[Nak Muay Farang]

Samurai has armour, a disorienting scary ass mask, a well tempered perfectly shaped blade and as soon as they are too close for his katana he can whip out his mini one or clinch like a mother fucker.

Shaolin Monk has hand to combat, skills in a variety of weapons including rope darts, poles, spears, halberds, maces, hook swords (put them together swing it around and you can nearly cleave a man in half) and could probably engage on his terms because he doesn't have to lug as much shit around.

It also depends on the setting.
On a Battlefield - Samurai (A lot higher chance of surviving to that point because of the armour and has the perfect skill set for this setting)
In a ring, like a gladiator - Samurai
Forest/heavily wooded area - Shaolin Monk
In a building/hallway - Shaolin Monk (Samurai's sword would get stuck in walls and it would be too late)

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

monks are peaceful people. they train to defend themselves and not for war.

the monk shows his worth by demonstrations and "test of strength" like 2 finger, push up/hand stands, doing flips on their heads and stuff like that. samurai's proved themselves with centuries of war and countless of lives lost.

Actually that is a myth, One of many which continues to surround Shaolin and bemuses the Chinese when they see westerners romanticize the priests and their temple. Many of the monks were originally an assortment of criminals who were either running from teh law or went into priest hood as a form of punishment as they were removed from the the populace by being a monk thus not a threat.

Nor were or are the few monks today always peaceful there have been incidents where they were quite violent or corrupt through out history.

monks are flashy with their techniques. they use they're weapons more as a show.... for example. they will throw a 360 cartwheel kick and swing a sword or whatever they have around their heads and do some fancy stuff. while the samurai uses very very very subtle, less flashy techniques.. stuff that gets the job done quick, fast, efficient and easy.

Another myth. There were many skilled sword arts taught at the temple and their weapons though varied have been battle tested in ancient china to much success..

Further Youre confusing the flash of a modern art known as preformance wushu with the actual martial skills that werte taught there which were simple and to the point.

samurai's are the superior grapplers. we all know jiu jitsu is arguably the most effective grappling art in the world.

The term Ju jistsu wasn't coined till much later and it was a blanket term for a wide variety of studies the japanese practiced. Facts are at that time with weapons being used on the battle field a person couldn't rely heavily on any form of hand to hand combat or grappling art. Their time would be spent using a variety of weapons with minimal time spent on practicing a unarmed martial art.

During the samurai period jujitsu was not really method of unarmed combat largely, it was a system for a lightly armed warrior to fight a heavily armed and armored enemy In battle,


Its a misconception that the samurai used the katana often it was actually impossible for them to use a long sword, so he would have to rely on his short sword,bow, daggers, and only then if those options were available he would have to use some form of grappling.

 

[Zisteau]

Show me a samurai who can beat this guy:

Hes got the 36th chamber of Shaolin, motherfucker!

 

[SteelHammer]

Wait, the samurai is in ARMOR? of course he would win. Otherwise, it's tough to call.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

i just wanna hear peoples opinion on who would win and why.

5. weapons. samurai has armor and lets face it.... the samurai sword was the most feared dangerous weapon before guns came out.

so who do you think takes this.... and why?

Who says the samurai sword was the most feared etc etc weapon of all times ??

First of all feared by whom ? Nobody in Europe knew what a samurai was.

And who says the samurai sword is more efficient than the Kosak's sabre ? Or the medieval swords there were in Europe that would break your bones threw armor because they were so heavy ?

So what is the rationale as to why the samurai sword is the best sword ?

 

[chino0503]

Samurai has armour, a disorienting scary ass mask, a well tempered perfectly shaped blade and as soon as they are too close for his katana he can whip out his mini one or clinch like a mother fucker.

Shaolin Monk has hand to combat, skills in a variety of weapons including rope darts, poles, spears, halberds, maces, hook swords (put them together swing it around and you can nearly cleave a man in half) and could probably engage on his terms because he doesn't have to lug as much shit around.

It also depends on the setting.
On a Battlefield - Samurai (A lot higher chance of surviving to that point because of the armour and has the perfect skill set for this setting)
In a ring, like a gladiator - Samurai
Forest/heavily wooded area - Shaolin Monk
In a building/hallway - Shaolin Monk (Samurai's sword would get stuck in walls and it would be too late)

thank you for the response. seems like alot of people are getting offended.

Actually that is a myth, One of many which continues to surround Shaolin and bemuses the Chinese when they see westerners romanticize the priests and their temple. Many of the monks were originally an assortment of criminals who were either running from teh law or went into priest hood as a form of punishment as they were removed from the the populace by being a monk thus not a threat.

Nor were or are the few monks today always peaceful there have been incidents where they were quite violent or corrupt through out history.





Another myth. There were many skilled sword arts taught at the temple and their weapons though varied have been battle tested in ancient china to much success..

Further Youre confusing the flash of a modern art known as preformance wushu with the actual martial skills that werte taught there which were simple and to the point.



The term Ju jistsu wasn't coined till much later and it was a blanket term for a wide variety of studies the japanese practiced. Facts are at that time with weapons being used on the battle field a person couldn't rely heavily on any form of hand to hand combat or grappling art. Their time would be spent using a variety of weapons with minimal time spent on practicing a unarmed martial art.

During the samurai period jujitsu was not really method of unarmed combat largely, it was a system for a lightly armed warrior to fight a heavily armed and armored enemy In battle,


Its a misconception that the samurai used the katana often it was actually impossible for them to use a long sword, so he would have to rely on his short sword,bow, daggers, and only then if those options were available he would have to use some form of grappling.

so who do you think wins?

look im asking this because i feel it applies to modern day martial arts.

there's fighters who battle test their techiniques and constantly fight the best around the world. and there's others who dont fight, who dont test their techniques around the world... yet they have followers who believe that their shit actually works.

so i'll ask you again. who do you think would win. the battle tested samurai or the shaolin monk who does spinning kicks and graceful moves?

an elite warrior vs a priest? I hope that monk is either Jet Li or Donnie Yen

im not talking about kung fu flicks... im talking about a real life situation.

Who says the samurai sword was the most feared etc etc weapon of all times ??

First of all feared by whom ? Nobody in Europe knew what a samurai was.

And who says the samurai sword is more efficient than the Kosak's sabre ? Or the medieval swords there were in Europe that would break your bones threw armor because they were so heavy ?

So what is the rationale as to why the samurai sword is the best sword ?

ok you got me there. its more of a opinion.... maybe sword experts can break it down better. but i think a samurai sword is superior to any sword or chain and blade a shaolin monk has.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

logically either side has a considerably good chance of winning i would be inclined to pick the samurai but if we approach things from a factual stand point the monk shouldnt be counted out.:icon_chee

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

^^^^^
Ok, ok I'll admit I also think the samurai sword is the best sword.

But I have absolutely no argument for that, kind of like you.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

http://www.thehaca.com/essays/nobest.htm


good albiet long read on swords

im off to the store:icon_chee