International Rwandan genocide: 25 years later (today)

[Colchonero]

If there were no European intervention, these people would still be butchering each other without the world knowing about. They probably were butchering each other long before the Europeans arrived. Hell they butcher each other on a daily basis without any white man's involvement. I mean, no white man told Mandela's wife to put tires around people and set them on fire.

No outsiders involved when they hunt and kill toddlers as witches

... or when they cut off limbs of albino children

It's a messed up, dark continent

This post is an ironic gold mine.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

no resources to jack, so ya, they didn't get much help

That being said, Rwanda has made a seriously remarkable turnaround in the last ten or so years, no hyperbole

 

[Gregolian]

Yeah, the NATO mission was after Rwanda.

Like, I'm not a huge fan of intervention contrary to what a lot of people probably think but the Rwanda and East Timor ones I really think the US should have stepped in.

It's a real "damned if you do, damned if you don't" sorta thing looking at it now.

 

[Phr3121]

The UN Failed in Rwanda

"The United Nations launched its peacekeeping mission for Rwanda in October 1993 to monitor a cease-fire agreement between the Rwandan Hutu government and the rebel Rwandese Patriotic Front. The mission, which was not allowed to use military force to achieve its aims, was limited to investigating breaches in the cease-fire, helping humanitarian aid deliveries and contributing to the security of the capital, Kigali. The mission proved insufficient after the government launched the slaughter of an estimated 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus following the downing of the Rwandan president's plane on April 6, 1994."

"The report faulted the United Nations in several key areas leading up to that date, including its failure to act on a now-famous cable sent by the force commander, Canadian Lt. Gen. Romeo Dallaire on Jan. 11, 1994 warning of the risk of genocide. The cable was received by Annan and wasn't shared with the Security Council and didn't receive the follow-up such an important piece of evidence deserved, the report said. In addition, the United Nations and Security Council virtually ignored a groundbreaking assessment by the UN human rights investigator for Rwanda who raised the possibility in August 1993 that a genocide might occur."

"But the report points most of its criticism at how the United Nations - and in particular its Security Council members - reacted to the killings once they started. There was little political will within the council, particularly from the United States, to authorize a robust peacekeeping force in the months after the failed Somalia mission, that left 18 Americans dead. After rampaging killers in Rwanda killed 10 Belgian peacekeepers at the beginning of the genocide, there was little will to keep the peacekeepers in place, much less strengthen their mandate."

"The departure of peacekeepers from a school where thousands of civilians had massed hoping for protection was cited by the report as one of the main reasons for the enduring bitterness Rwandans feel Thursday toward the United Nations because of the ensuing massacre there. "The manner in which the troops left, including attempts to pretend to the refugees that they were not in fact leaving, was disgraceful," the report said."

"The report made 14 key recommendations, including calling for the U.N. chief to initiate an action plan to prevent another genocide. It also recommended the United Nations apologize to Rwanda."

Link: https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/201-rwanda/39240.html

 

[Joe265]

You keep posting, the original post you have been replying about still stands unrefuted and all while you pretend that I am somehow outraged by your posts lol...

The conversation got to this point because you chose to change the subject to cry about being personally attacked. You got triggered, and it went downhill from there. Keep hiding from reality.

 

[cunglaowins]

The genocide was a perfect example of how faith, which requires no rational justification, too reliably brings people to commit atrocities without rational justification

Kony's army was supposed to be Christian too. May be it's a combination of the existing culture and the perversion of the Christian faith

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

The conversation got to this point because I refuse to refute your points and only want to talk about something unrelated because I dont know how to back my beliefs.

Signed
Trotsky

Fixed that for you.

 

[Gregolian]

The UN Failed in Rwanda

"The United Nations launched its peacekeeping mission for Rwanda in October 1993 to monitor a cease-fire agreement between the Rwandan Hutu government and the rebel Rwandese Patriotic Front. The mission, which was not allowed to use military force to achieve its aims, was limited to investigating breaches in the cease-fire, helping humanitarian aid deliveries and contributing to the security of the capital, Kigali. The mission proved insufficient after the government launched the slaughter of an estimated 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus following the downing of the Rwandan president's plane on April 6, 1994."

"The report faulted the United Nations in several key areas leading up to that date, including its failure to act on a now-famous cable sent by the force commander, Canadian Lt. Gen. Romeo Dallaire on Jan. 11, 1994 warning of the risk of genocide. The cable was received by Annan and wasn't shared with the Security Council and didn't receive the follow-up such an important piece of evidence deserved, the report said. In addition, the United Nations and Security Council virtually ignored a groundbreaking assessment by the UN human rights investigator for Rwanda who raised the possibility in August 1993 that a genocide might occur."

"But the report points most of its criticism at how the United Nations - and in particular its Security Council members - reacted to the killings once they started. There was little political will within the council, particularly from the United States, to authorize a robust peacekeeping force in the months after the failed Somalia mission, that left 18 Americans dead. After rampaging killers in Rwanda killed 10 Belgian peacekeepers at the beginning of the genocide, there was little will to keep the peacekeepers in place, much less strengthen their mandate."

"The departure of peacekeepers from a school where thousands of civilians had massed hoping for protection was cited by the report as one of the main reasons for the enduring bitterness Rwandans feel Thursday toward the United Nations because of the ensuing massacre there. "The manner in which the troops left, including attempts to pretend to the refugees that they were not in fact leaving, was disgraceful," the report said."

"The report made 14 key recommendations, including calling for the U.N. chief to initiate an action plan to prevent another genocide. It also recommended the United Nations apologize to Rwanda."

Link: https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/201-rwanda/39240.html

My dad's good friend had 3 sons that all entered the military (Marines). ONE of them was with the Rangers, Delta, SEALs, and the Marines that were in Somalia and was still in when Rwanda and East Timor happened.

IDK if it was throughout all branches of the armed forces but for his unit at least... they all felt if the US should have gotten involved in any of it Rwanda was the one where it was too obviously clear the US should have done something but didn't.

I know Rwanda and Somalia and to a lesser degree the shit in Bosnia/Kosovo is a huge reason why a ton of the family friends my family has that were in the military during the 90s (and some still are) don't trust the UN peacekeepers at all.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Kony's army was supposed to be Christian too. May be it's a combination of the existing culture and the perversion of the Christian faith

Kony was a weird case. He seemed apocalyptically Christian, but adhered to some old weird Jewish customs, and his pay masters were Muslims. Christian dogma, and any faith based dogma seems readily capable of producing monsters, but I think he would be one regardless.

 

[Joe265]

Fixed that for you.

You really are clueless when it comes to insulting people. It's like you think other people are as emotionally fragile as you.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

You really are clueless when it comes to insulting people. It's like you think other people are as emotionally fragile as you.

 

[AlexDB9]

I remember Hotel Rwanda being an eye opening movie. I still remember the Joaquin Phoenix character saying something to the effect of “yeah some people might cry about it and then turn the channel to sports”

The UN proved to be absolutely useless. TIA

 

[Joe265]

You spent time looking for a meme to pretend you don't care. That's how dumb you are.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

You spent time looking for a meme to pretend you don't care. That's how dumb you are.

Can you ever post something that includes an insult about what you are not also doing yourself...Mr spends time to type a reply that thinks only people that spends time replying to him does so because they care...idiot.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Tale as old as time tbh
People peacefully coexisting in abundance and prosperity, then colonial tactics of bringing hospitals, schools and roads ruin yet another African paradise.
Sad.

This is not exactly true. The Tutsis dominated the Hutus forever.
Euros did stir shit up amongst the Hutus though that s true.
But you completely left out the pre-existing condition of one caste being servants of the other caste.

 

[BillytheFish]

I remember Hotel Rwanda being an eye opening movie. I still remember the Joaquin Phoenix character saying something to the effect of “yeah some people might cry about it and then turn the channel to sports”

The UN proved to be absolutely useless. TIA

The UN has been proven over decades to be a massively weak organisation, shit even during military lectures we were taught this (UK)

 

[carlos cadona]

The UN has been proven over decades to be a massively weak organisation, shit even during military lectures we were taught this (UK)

The U.N. is more of an organization to prevent war between two or more sovereign nations, not a world policeman that can intervene in civil conflicts.

 

[BillytheFish]

The U.N. is more of an organization to prevent war between two or more sovereign nations, not a world policeman that can intervene in civil conflicts.

Might want to read a history book or two before you try to inform me on their role.

I think you're also failing to understand the blurred lines in your apparent description of their role. 'Prevent war' but also somehow 'not world police that can intervene.'

 

[carlos cadona]

Might want to read a history book or two before you try to inform me on their role.

I think you're also failing to understand the blurred lines in your apparent description of their role. 'Prevent war' but also somehow 'not world police that can intervene.'

The U.N. is not a big military power, they can't inject troops into a country and militarily defeat whatever faction they deem as the enemy. Even when they do deploy peace keepers they are very limited in what kind of force they can use. The UN is more useful in preventing wars between countries because it gives nations a channel for diplomacy and helps to establish international norms. Norms and diplomacy aren't going to be very useful for stopping a genocide or a civil war but they might lessen the risk of the U.S. and Russia nuking each other or discourage tinpot dictators from invading their neighbors.

 

[Joe265]

Can you ever post something that includes an insult about what you are not also doing yourself...Mr spends time to type a reply that thinks only people that spends time replying to him does so because they care...idiot.

"Can you ever post something that..."

This loser thinks people post according to what triggers them the least. You're literally trying to build a safe space. You're literally encouraging your own emotional fragility.