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Crime Russian influence campaign, yup all those right wing grifting dorks!


It looks like Merrick Garland targeted them ruined their lives and the charges were dropped.
 


Bruh, I could look past this if the BJP was paying him 🙈

“President Donald Trump’s nominee to be FBI Director, Kash Patel, was paid $25,000 by a Russian filmmaker with connections to the Kremlin, The Washington Post reports.

What exactly is supposed to be the scandal here?

He received a payment for starring in a documentary by a Russian filmmaker "close to the Kremlin"? What is "close to the Kremlin" supposed to mean? Because it reads to me like, "Russian citizen who has relationships with people inside his own federal government." He happens to be a dual US-Russian citizen via Ukraine.

No, think about this. Read this paragraph. "The Russian filmmaker’s previous projects include an influence campaign that was on the receiving end of money from a fund created by Russian President Vladimir Putin." A "fund created by Vladimir Putin"? He's the President of Russia. He creates thousands of funds. This would be like attempting to smear some Russian government official as a double agent, or whatever is being implied about Patel, because that person received money from a PBS/NPR documentary filmmaker for taking the time to be featured in a work produced (in whatever part) by that group. I thought that sort of compensation wasn't too uncommon in the documentary world.

This necro is typical of this thread writ large, and I would have understood the desperation for leftists to throw his Hail Mary back in September 2024, in the midst of the Biden mental health cover-up fiasco, but this is indicative of a state of weakness that I didn't think Democrats were in today.

It's not that I don't want our government seeking to undermine any attempts by Russia to influence our political discourse. Russia is our enemy, and will firmly remain an enemy as long as Putin is their head of state. But the thread was posted to this forum with a clear intent to vilify right-wing personalities "Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, Dave Rubin, Tucker Carlson" as some sort of Russian puppets on strings acting as the mouthpiece of the Russian government.

That isn't the real story at all. The story is that Putin's strategy shifted from 2016 and 2020 where Russia used social media bots to amplify any news or news opinions that favored Russia's perspective on international affairs, but usually outright fabricated propaganda, to instead covertly supply funding to American companies that disseminated the opinions of others-- opinions they never controlled-- to Americans as effectively as possible. Both strategies are the similar, but not quite the same, with the first being more sinister because it deliberately fed manufactured misinformation. Essentially they wanted to amplify and spread news that favored Russian interests.

They didn't control the opinion of those right-wing personalities. They also didn't necessarily want to spread every opinion or news piece those personalities produced-- only the ones favoring whatever opinion they wanted amplified.

It isn't clear to me what is so appalling about any of this. Counter the Russian schemes. Yes, please. Have a meltdown and point to right-wing personalities as puppets for being bullhorned by a foreign nation that prefers their political opinions? Please don't.
 
What exactly is supposed to be the scandal here?

He received a payment for starring in a documentary by a Russian filmmaker "close to the Kremlin"? What is "close to the Kremlin" supposed to mean? Because it reads to me like, "Russian citizen who has relationships with people inside his own federal government." He happens to be a dual US-Russian citizen via Ukraine.

No, think about this. Read this paragraph. "The Russian filmmaker’s previous projects include an influence campaign that was on the receiving end of money from a fund created by Russian President Vladimir Putin." A "fund created by Vladimir Putin"? He's the President of Russia. He creates thousands of funds. This would be like attempting to smear some Russian government official as a double agent, or whatever is being implied about Patel, because that person received money from a PBS/NPR documentary filmmaker for taking the time to be featured in a work produced (in whatever part) by that group. I thought that sort of compensation wasn't too uncommon in the documentary world.

This necro is typical of this thread writ large, and I would have understood the desperation for leftists to throw his Hail Mary back in September 2024, in the midst of the Biden mental health cover-up fiasco, but this is indicative of a state of weakness that I didn't think Democrats were in today.

It's not that I don't want our government seeking to undermine any attempts by Russia to influence our political discourse. Russia is our enemy, and will firmly remain an enemy as long as Putin is their head of state. But the thread was posted to this forum with a clear intent to vilify right-wing personalities "Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, Dave Rubin, Tucker Carlson" as some sort of Russian puppets on strings acting as the mouthpiece of the Russian government.

That isn't the real story at all. The story is that Putin's strategy shifted from 2016 and 2020 where Russia used social media bots to amplify any news or news opinions that favored Russia's perspective on international affairs, but usually outright fabricated propaganda, to instead covertly supply funding to American companies that disseminated the opinions of others-- opinions they never controlled-- to Americans as effectively as possible. Both strategies are the similar, but not quite the same, with the first being more sinister because it deliberately fed manufactured misinformation. Essentially they wanted to amplify and spread news that favored Russian interests.

They didn't control the opinion of those right-wing personalities. They also didn't necessarily want to spread every opinion or news piece those personalities produced-- only the ones favoring whatever opinion they wanted amplified.

It isn't clear to me what is so appalling about any of this. Counter the Russian schemes. Yes, please. Have a meltdown and point to right-wing personalities as puppets for being bullhorned by a foreign nation that prefers their political opinions? Please don't.

Is Russia our enemy under Trump? I don’t think so, Putin takes him as a joke. There is no secret that Kremlin pumped in a lot of fuel to get Trump elected.

Kremlin absolutely directs Tucker Carlson’s talking points. It is indisputable.

It isn’t even a matter of debate anymore. At this point, you could make an argument that Trump is an asset for China. He somehow got Japan and India into their orbit. American Hegemony has never been more fragile than now under these circumstances.
 
Is Russia our enemy under Trump? I don’t think so, Putin takes him as a joke. There is no secret that Kremlin pumped in a lot of fuel to get Trump elected.

Kremlin absolutely directs Tucker Carlson’s talking points. It is indisputable.

It isn’t even a matter of debate anymore. At this point, you could make an argument that Trump is an asset for China. He somehow got Japan and India into their orbit. American Hegemony has never been more fragile than now under these circumstances.


Absolutely. The Steele dossier proved this without a shadow of a doubt.
 
Is Russia our enemy under Trump? I don’t think so, Putin takes him as a joke. There is no secret that Kremlin pumped in a lot of fuel to get Trump elected.
Yes, Russia is our enemy under Trump. Russia's principal goal regarding our election was to sow American doubt in our own processes. Putin wants more January 6th's, he doesn't care who is in the building when it is stormed, or who's followers are doing the storming. Furthermore, the only reason the Russians might have preferred Trump was that, contrary to the proverb, they thought better the devil they didn't know than the one they did. Harris guaranteed an extension of the policies they already were encountering. At least with Trump they might encounter something different.
Kremlin absolutely directs Tucker Carlson’s talking points. It is indisputable.
You don't know what "indisputable" means.
It isn’t even a matter of debate anymore. At this point, you could make an argument that Trump is an asset for China. He somehow got Japan and India into their orbit. American Hegemony has never been more fragile than now under these circumstances.
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Is Russia our enemy under Trump? I don’t think so, Putin takes him as a joke. There is no secret that Kremlin pumped in a lot of fuel to get Trump elected.

Kremlin absolutely directs Tucker Carlson’s talking points. It is indisputable.

It isn’t even a matter of debate anymore. At this point, you could make an argument that Trump is an asset for China. He somehow got Japan and India into their orbit. American Hegemony has never been more fragile than now under these circumstances.
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Yes, Russia is our enemy under Trump. Russia's principal goal regarding our election was to sow American doubt in our own processes. Putin wants more January 6th's, he doesn't care who is in the building when it is stormed, or who's followers are doing the storming. Furthermore, the only reason the Russians might have preferred Trump was that, contrary to the proverb, they thought better the devil they didn't know than the one they did. Harris guaranteed an extension of the policies they already were encountering. At least with Trump they might encounter something different.
This arguement completely dissolves itself when you consider the existence of the Mueller Report. Kremlin spent copious amounts of time fueling the Pro-Trump narrative in 2016. Russian Agents even were exposed for having meetings with the Trump campaign and govt. itself.

Putin grooming Trump extends way before January 6th. It is nearly a decade long before.
You don't know what "indisputable" means.
I mean he gave Putin total soft ball questions and went on a tour to exclaim how excellent Russian supermarkets are. There is a reason why.
 
This arguement completely dissolves itself when you consider the existence of the Mueller Report. Kremlin spent copious amounts of time fueling the Pro-Trump narrative in 2016. Russian Agents even were exposed for having meetings with the Trump campaign and govt. itself.

Putin grooming Trump extends way before January 6th. It is nearly a decade long before.
We were discussing the 2024 election, not the 2016 election, but the very purpose of Russian conduct in 2015 and 2016 was to achieve exactly what I just told you. The DNI himself offered this opinion through the aggregate investigations of the intelligence community that informed men like Mueller in a later 2017 report. As I've written numerous times on this board, previously, I believe Putin despises Hillary Clinton more than anyone else on earth, or at least more than any politician in the West outside the Russian/Baltic sphere.
In trying to influence the US election, we assess
the Kremlin sought to advance its longstanding
desire to undermine the US-led liberal
democratic order, the promotion of which
Putin and other senior Russian leaders view as
a threat to Russia and Putin’s regime.
Putin doesn't see Trump as an ally, he simply sees him as potentially more favorable to Russian goals in matters of foreign policy. In 2016, the primary reason our intelligence agencies assessed he showed a preference for Trump was because he thought he would cooperate with Russia to form an international coalition to combat ISIS, and because he thought Trump's rhetoric on Syria and Ukraine might yield US policies more favorable to their goals in that region. Trump immediately bombed Syria. Above all, his grandest scheme is the "collapse of western liberalism".

You're too emotionally stuck in your partisan bias to recognize & assess proportion. Putin doesn't see Trump as an ally. He sees the USA as an enemy. The person in the White House doesn't affect that outlook. After that, he is only concerned with making practical decisions that will be the most effective in achieving what he wants to achieve.
I mean he gave Putin total soft ball questions and went on a tour to exclaim how excellent Russian supermarkets are. There is a reason why.
Do you see why I don't respect your opinions?

Carlson threw some softball questions to Putin in an exclusive interview he secured, and to you, this is "indisputable" evidence Russia perpetually issues explicit directions to Carlson on what his talking points are to be. At best, that is a Hail Mary inference you've made out of partisan spite.

So, I iterate: you clearly don't know what "indisputable" means.
 
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