International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

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Yea I agree. Having the next level tanks aren't actually going to be a game changer. Even the Abrams and Leopards will get fuqqed by anti tank weapons easily if they aren't used properly. It's more about how well trained the Ukrainians will be in utilizing them alongside infantry, ifv's and artillery support.
i mean, they are putting up a fight against "the #2 army in the world"
 
I just wanted to post this video addressing the war. I just watched a video by Russel Brand on YouTube, and his take is eerily similar to mine. Watching the video was a bit shocking as he's the first person I've seen who really perceives the situation the same way I do. It came out an hour after I made my posts earlier. It almost sounds like I wrote his script. Great watch! I reccomend you guys watch it in its entirety.



Sorry I only pay attention to what Sean Penn has to say regarding this conflict.
 
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I Still keep reading itt. It's just old weapons it costs usa basically nothing.......

What is in the military aid to Ukraine?

A3: Military aid in the three congressionally enacted packages consists of four elements.

  • Short-Term Military Support ($17 billion): This includes the transfer of weapons, both U.S. weapons and those purchased from allies, training of Ukrainian military personnel, and intelligence sharing. Much of this funding flows through the Ukrainian Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), which acts as a transfer account. Technically, the appropriations cover only the backfill equipment sent to Ukraine, not the equipment itself, but the two have been closely aligned.
  • Long-Term Military Support ($10.4 billion): This consists of money that Ukraine can use to buy new weapons, mostly from the United States but also elsewhere. The problem is that these need to be manufactured, so there is a long delay. As a result, this likely funds postwar rebuilding the Ukrainian military, not current operations. (Because the USIA funds both long term and short-term support, the split is an estimate.) Confusion sometimes arises because DOD announcements state that United States has “committed” certain amounts of military equipment to Ukraine― for example, a recent fact sheet stated that “in total, the United States has committed more than $18.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of the Biden Administration.” This combines the short-term and long-term support.
  • U.S. Military Operations ($9.6 billion): In the spring, the United States sent about 18,000 troops to Europe to strengthen defenses and deter Russia. These deployments cost money above what was planned in the DOD budget.
  • DOD General Support ($1.2 billion): This covers a wide variety of activities, some only tangentially related to Ukraine, to prepare DOD for future conflicts.


However, procurement funds for equipment take many years to spend out because the government pays the supplier incrementally as work is done. For the kinds of equipment being procured to support Ukraine, it takes about a year to get onto contract, then two more years before the first item is delivered and another year or more for the remaining items to be delivered. That means that money Congress appropriates in year one does not get fully spent until year five.

It's most definitely not just " old equipment " that usa no longer wants.

The aid covers dozens of individual items, but these can be grouped into four general categories:

Military aid (discussed separately below);
Humanitarian assistance (discussed separately below);
Economic support to the Ukrainian government, which goes directly to the Ukrainian government to allow continuing operations since the war has disrupted its own mechanisms for raising revenue; and
U.S. government operations and domestic costs related to Ukraine, which covers the increased expenses to government agencies for operations like moving embassy personnel and prosecuting war criminals. It also includes $2 billion for support to energy companies

https://www.csis.org/analysis/aid-ukraine-explained-six-charts

That's from November 22. The financial amounts would be much larger now
 
Tim Pool is a Russian puppet serving his master Putin. Tim was ragging an went off on why the US is spending money to support Ukraine. I guess he not a fan of history or life in a democracy. Maybe he prefers life in Russia?
 
Putin is losing his standing and respect in the world. Both the President of Turkey and Kyrgyzstan making Putin wait awkwardly for meetings.
Even if Putin wins this War in some way, Its always going to be considered a loss to every Country in the world. He lost this war after the first few weeks of the invasion, everything else is cannon fodder.
 
For me looks very interesting how guy not located in U.S is so concerned about " U.S budget spendings ?

It is just cos he silently supoorts Russia?
 
Next propaganda stuff circulating in internet is fake narrative aimed to fool american, canadian, australian public with narrative
" Europe is doing nothing " .....

The Kiel Instutute has tracked EUR 108,8 b from 46 countries in financial, humanitarian and military aid till 20.November 2022.
Out of that 108,8 b.....
51,8 b come from the European Union and 47,8 b from U.S.


Then there was december....
In december EU transfered Ukr 2,5 b EUR in form of money transfer and approved to spent additionally 2,5 b EUR for weapons.
So it is 5 b EUR in december alone....
January 2023 ....
Next package: 3 b EUR ....from EU.

+ add here also this stuff they agreed to sent to Ukr as lethal aid in package approved in Rammshtein january 2023 th.
 
That Abrams-X prototype though...






We know the abrams is being phased out and there next gen tank is coming.

We know what 3 of them look like, the 4th one is probably the one the soldiers picked. We also are aware of it getting an unmanned turret, loitering munitions/ drones will be launched from the platform. 130mm is also more then likely?

Abrams is as you said its just showing off some of the new equipment.
 
No surprise to most of us....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inmate-humiliates-russia-shadow-army-180043628.html

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Inmate Humiliates Russia’s Shadow Army by Casually Taking Cab Home
https://www.yahoo.com/news/inmate-humiliates-russia-shadow-army-180043628.html#
Allison Quinn
Wed, February 1, 2023 at 10:00 AM PST

Prisoners recruited by Russia’s Wagner Group to fight in Ukraine seem to be increasingly realizing they’ve been duped, and that no one ever counted on bringing them back alive.

One inmate recruited by the group back in November has absconded from his team in Ukraine’s Luhansk region and fled to Russia by bus and ride-sharing app, where he says he is now hiding out in fear of revenge.

“We thought we’d be equal with the hired fighters, that we wouldn’t be any different, but in reality they just make assault teams out of the inmates, and that’s the meat [in the meat grinder]. But there’s already no going back there, if you refuse to do something they will immediately off you,” Nikolai Troshkin told the independent outlet MediaZona on Wednesday.

Troshkin said he had a couple years left to serve at a penal colony in Siberia when Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin visited in the fall and “colorfully” told prisoners about their chance for a pardon.

He bought into Prigozhin’s promises, he said, and was soon transported out along with nearly 200 other inmates from his colony.

“We signed a paper about who to notify in case of our death, and [stating] that I agree to take part in the military operation and fulfill the tasks of the Defense Ministry, despite the fact that I may die,” he said.

After being sent to the occupied Luhansk region for training, Troshkin said, he learned of demonstrative executions at a children’s camp.

“Two guys who were standing at a checkpoint stole something and they were immediately offed. The instructor said that one got down on his knees and asked for forgiveness, but died with dignity, saying, ‘Don’t repeat my mistakes,’” he said, adding that “they shoot their own there.”

The way Troshkin tells it, Wagner leaders also sent freed prison inmates on suicide missions knowing full well they’d never come back alive.

“It’s just deep shit, to put it rudely,” he said. “They take thousands from [the penal colonies], tell them everything is good and you’ll return home, and 90 percent die.”

Troshkin told the outlet he had fled from the group after their training camp came under fire by Ukrainian forces. After ditching his military gear and donning civilian clothes, he said, he took a bus from Donetsk to Moscow and eventually used a ride-sharing service to get all the way back to Siberia.

He said he initially planned to return to prison—“There’s no point messing with Wagner”—but then learned he wasn’t even being sought by authorities.

“What’s the point in returning to prison? I’m already freed, I’m pardoned. But because of Wagner I’ll have to hide and change my phone,” he said.

Troshkin’s account comes as a former Wagner commander has begun to testify to Norwegian war crimes investigators as he seeks political asylum in that country.

Andrei Medvedev, 26, spent four months with the group before deserting and making a run for it across Russia’s border with Norway last month.

He has echoed Troshkin’s claims and said Wagner fighters are “treated like cattle” sent to be slaughtered.

“There was a time when they brought in two prisoners who refused to fight and shot them in front of others for refusing to follow orders,” Medvedev told The Moscow Times. “There were many such incidents.”

While former fighters express disillusionment with the group, Wagner has also reportedly been snubbed by Russia’s own Defense Ministry when it comes to bringing the war dead home.

“They’re not friends with the Defense Ministry, they don’t help them [Wagner] with coffins. They officially aren’t considered military, so they can’t use the ministry’s infrastructure, they have to run around themselves with corpses on the market,” a source in Russia’s funeral industry told the independent outlet Verstka on Wednesday.

In several cases, another source said, families of dead Wagner fighters were given empty coffins to bury.
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Russian officer tells how Ukrainian men were tortured -
"A former Russian officer testifies to the BBC about how Russian forces tortured Ukrainian prisoners.
Konstantin Yefremov was in the Zaporizhzhya region early in the war, including in Melitopol. He says Ukrainian men were shot and threatened with rape during prolonged and brutal interrogations.
Yefremov has left Russia. With the help of his pictures, the BBC has been able to verify parts of the ex-soldier's story, including that he had been to the places he said. However, the specific allegations of torture have not been confirmed, but they are consistent with other reports of abuse of Ukrainian prisoners."

https://omni.se/senaste
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-donetsk-militant-leader-girkin-150949969.html

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Former Donetsk militant leader Girkin refuses to fight in Wagner Group after Prigozhin's threats
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Ukrainska Pravda
Sat, January 28, 2023 at 7:09 AM PST


Igor Girkin (Strelkov), the former leader of Donetsk militants, has refused to take part in the war against Ukraine as part of the Wagner Group private military company (PMC).

Source: Girkin on Telegram

Details: The terrorist noted that he discussed a possible meeting at which they could agree on his participation in the war as part of the Wagner Group PMC on Friday and even promised to "come to Luhansk for a personal conversation" within two days.

"However, Mr Prigozhin's last public speech [Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of the Wagner Group PMC - ed.], in which a stream of the most blatant lies was uttered against me, completely rules out my participation in this PMC. I will not be able to serve under the leadership of a person who directly accused me of treason against Russia. Not to mention the dirty insults that accompanied these accusations. That's it," Girkin said.

In an address to Girkin that was published on the Internet, Prigozhin accuses the ex-leader of the militants of "surrendering Sloviansk", "taking money from Akhmetov"[Rinat Akhmetov is Ukraine's richest businessman - ed.] and "abandoning boys," and repeatedly insults him and threatens to throw him into the hottest hell, where he will have to prove his reliability, and also threatens to "pee on his face" if he tries to flee the battlefield.

Background: On 26 January, Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of the Wagner Group PMC, invited Igor Girkin (Strelkov) to join his troops in Ukraine [DPR is the self-styled "Donetsk People's Republic" – ed.]. In response, Strelkov offered to discuss the proposal.
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IMO the Russians will have tons of problem once the Winter ends. They have been throwing men and resources at the opponent for minimal territorial gains while Ukraine has been stockpiling new weapons, ammo and actually training new recruits properly. Unless the Ukrainian losses are higher than we think I expect Russia to loose a decent chuck of territory in late spring, both armies will probably reach the point of exaustion around the time Summer starts.
 
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