International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[aries]

I mean you asked for stuff that ukr has done so i posted lol

No I asked a specific poster to present his evidence, he couldn't be arsed and you jumped in. But yeah what you posted is pretty much fuck all compared to the scale of what the Russian's have done which was the whole point I was making.

 

[aries]

I've also seen interviews of local officials talking about disappearing people they know are sympathetic to Moscow, plus I've literally seen video of Ukrainian troops dumping dead bodies of men in civilian clothes into pits with their hands tied. But these things don't keep me up at night, they are bound to happen.

Then share. Post your evidence or at least the links or clues to find them if they are too graphic.

And it's not like I don't believe that can be happening because I know the Ukrainians don't take kindly to Ukrainians supporting the Russians committing genocide. Someone is blowing up these Russian supporting Ukrainian mayors.

 

[PEB]

A friend of mine convinced a cabal of oil rich countries are executing this plan to undermine worlds efforts to reduce or eliminate the push to reduce the use of oil. To push to have conservative party leaders to take over the countries and to press to end efforts to convert to clean and renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. It makes sense look at people like Ronald Reagan, the two Bushes, Trump and in some ways Obama.

Look at how Reagan took down the solar panels on the white house and Iran contra weapons transfer, the massive number of conservatives flooding the boards to hit at any push to reduce these efforts. It's like these people have the blood of millions on their hands. Ukraine unfortunately has been picked to take the pain these people inflict to hurt efforts to reduce alliance on oil.

US is oil rich but right now the house, Senate and White House are pushing to cut reliance on oil that is going up Putin's ass the wrong way. Putin idea is to disrupt the world economies by selling oil cheap to countries that have less then stellar relationships with the US.

 

[aries]

You really want me to go back through random telegram channels and find it? So that you can post something from a Ukrainian government official "debunking" it and claim victory? No thanks. If you think "your side" isn't doing these things you are either a child or have gotten your emotions wrapped up to the point you can't think.

Yeah post the evidence you lazy c***

 

[aries]

We literally have the world's largest navy and airforce, huge oceans separating us, and the ability to be self sufficient in everything we need. It's literally just propaganda, same dumb idea as "we have to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here." It's a cliche.

Sorry Euro bros, Russia is really your problem, at the end of the day. Based on how badly the war in Ukraine has gone, though, not much of a problem.

Sounds like WWII all over again. Nazi's killing Jews? Who gives a fuck!

 

[aries]

I’m not sure why you’re so confused. The story you shared was about a Russian plane shooting at a British plane. If they shoot down a NATO plane, I’m saying that we would probably start shouting down anything that gets close to our planes. Our planes are not flying over Ukraine right now. What is the confusion?

What's the confusion? Because you didn't say that. You said we would start shooting down their planes. NOW you add the caveat that they'd do that IF they shot down ours first. Maybe you were thinking that but that's not what you typed.

But anyway my point still stands. I'm of the opinion that NATO should go to war with Russia, in terms of kicking them out of Ukraine. I think the threat of nuclear war is just an excuse for NATO not to have to go hands on, i.e. they don't actually believe there is a significant risk of that happening.

So if WWIII was going to start if we enforced a no-fly zone over Ukraine because we'd end up shooting down Russian planes, what's the difference? Somehow Putin is supposedly going to act rationally and say 'Oh well you shot down one of our planes, no biggie, because we shot first and it wasn't over Ukraine!. My bad' Does that make any sense? Do you think even if he took that tact his war-hawks would applaud him for being sensible?

After all you said yourself, you don't blame Russia for shooting at the RAF because they are operating that close. So why is NATO so reluctant to enforce a no-fly zone but sailing so close to the wind by operating that close to Russia when it's likely that we'll start shooting each other down which apparently is what will lead to WWIII according to NATO. It doesn't add up. Either NATO engaging Russia directly leads to WWII or it doesn't. I'm calling BS, it's an excuse.

 

[A Lurker]

Stolen valour

What's the confusion? Because you didn't say that. You said we would start shooting down their planes. NOW you add the caveat that they'd do that IF they shot down ours first. Maybe you were thinking that but that's not what you typed.

But anyway my point still stands. I'm of the opinion that NATO should go to war with Russia, in terms of kicking them out of Ukraine. I think the threat of nuclear war is just an excuse for NATO not to have to go hands on, i.e. they don't actually believe there is a significant risk of that happening.

So if WWIII was going to start if we enforced a no-fly zone over Ukraine because we'd end up shooting down Russian planes, what's the difference? Somehow Putin is supposedly going to act rationally and say 'Oh well you shot down one of our planes, no biggie, because we shot first and it wasn't over Ukraine!. My bad' Does that make any sense? Do you think even if he took that tact his war-hawks would applaud him for being sensible?

I agree, NATO should push Russia out of Ukraine

 

[Cole train]

No I asked a specific poster to present his evidence, he couldn't be arsed and you jumped in. But yeah what you posted is pretty much fuck all compared to the scale of what the Russian's have done which was the whole point I was making.

Yea i jumped in since you said " so far many of the worse accusations have been blatantly false with little evidence to back it up"

The worst accusations are the ones i mentioned and they have been confirmed

Yea russia is still doing more war crime stuff not wrong on that

 

[ShadowRun]

“PuTiN wOuLd NeVeR UsE NuKe”
Making the excuse to do it though

 

[aries]

Yea i jumped in since you said " so far many of the worse accusations have been blatantly false with little evidence to back it up"

The worst accusations are the ones i mentioned and they have been confirmed

Yea russia is still doing more war crime stuff not wrong on that

So the Mariupol Theatre bombing false flag accusation was not worse than anything you mentioned? Really?? I totally disagree. Attempting to kill over 1000 women and children and planting 'evidence' on social media of what the Ukrainians were going to days before was absolutely despicable.

 

[Cole train]

So the Mariupol Theatre bombing false flag accusation was not worse than what you mentioned? Really??

I mean the only one accusing was russia if i remember correctly so i dont think it really mattered since of course they will say its ukr or azov who did it

 

[aries]

“PuTiN wOuLd NeVeR UsE NuKe”
Making the excuse to do it though

Or giving the impression of making the excuse to do it. The old 'see it's not a bluff'.

If you haven't noticed a massive part of the Russian doctrine is lie, lie and lie about the lying, so nobody has a clue what you are actually going to do. It's simple but highly effective. They lie even when there is no point to lie just to confuse everyone.

 

[aries]

I mean the only one accusing was russia if i remember correctly so i dont think it really mattered since of course they will say its ukr or azov who did it

There were plenty of 'idiots' who bought it. Even weeks later I saw social media posts proclaiming how awful the Ukrainian nazis was because of the 'incontrovertible' truth of the predictive social media posts. Many National newspapers were running the story as though the Azov battalion had really blown up a bunch of Ukrainian civilians.

The only reason they didn't kill over a 1000 people (predominantly women and children) was because unbeknownst to the Russian's many of the people in the theatre had left (luckily) in the days prior to that attack. But they were fully willing to sacrifice 1000 women and children to blacken the name of the Azov battalion. Absolute scum.

I remember the Kremlin bots in the very thread arguing that evidence was indisputable. They all went predictably quiet.

 

[Cole train]

There were plenty of 'idiots' who bought it. Even weeks later I saw social media posts proclaiming how awful the Ukrainian nazis was because of the 'incontrovertible' truth of the predictive social media posts. National newspapers were running the story as though the Azov battalion had really blown up a bunch of Ukrainian civilians.

Well azov is fairly media sexy in west due to neo nazi stuff, easy target

Find it kinda hilarious that neo nazi groups fighting on rus side get no attention in west really

Looking at you rusich (wagners little brother though likely joined up by now) russian imperial legion, svarozhich...

 

[aries]

Well azov is fairly media sexy in west due to neo nazi stuff, easy target

Find it kinda hilarious that neo nazi groups fighting on rus side get no attention in west really

Looking at you rusich (wagners little brother though likely joined up by now) russian imperial legion, svarozhich...

Yes they are an easy target.

I agree about the prevalence of the Russian nazis. It's been almost completely ignored. I'm really surprised it hasn't been pushed hard to paint the Ukrainians in a better light. When I researched it, I had to dig quite a bit to find evidence but it was quite clear there were many more Russian nazis than Ukrainian ones. And a lot of prominent Ukrainian nazis came from Russia during the purge!

 

[curryjunkie]

ker-ching....

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[PEB]

Aljazzara hardly friendly to Western interest has even called Russia's claims of dirty bomb pretty much otter nonsense. They have had reporters on the ground for sometime now recording the situation pretty much on both sides but lately seems to be supporting the Ukrainian position because they have seen first hand the destruction and evil done by the Russian soldiers and the conscripts being treated like cattle.
Not surprising they would be willing to question any claims by Russia about dirty bombs. Ukraine has had issues but they where pretty quick to admit their mistakes Russia nothing but evil.


Aljazzara:
"
Russia has accused Ukraine of planning to detonate a radioactive dirty bomb and blame it on Moscow.

Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu discussed the “rapidly deteriorating situation” in the Ukraine war in calls with NATO nations on Sunday."
Without providing evidence, Shoigu said Ukraine could escalate the conflict with a dirty bomb – a device that uses explosives to scatter radioactive waste. It does not have the devastating effect of a nuclear explosion, but it could expose broad areas to radioactive contamination.

“The purpose of the provocation is to accuse Russia of using weapons of mass destruction in the Ukrainian theatre of operations and thereby launch a powerful anti-Russian campaign in the world aimed at undermining confidence in Moscow,” the RIA Novosti news agency said on Telegram.

“The calculation of the organisers of the provocation is that if it is successfully implemented, most countries will react extremely harshly to the ‘nuclear incident’ in Ukraine,” the post said. “As a result, Moscow will lose the support of many of its key partners.”

Russia provided no evidence to substantiate its allegation."
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“If anyone can use nuclear weapons in this part of Europe – it can be only one source – and that source is the one that has ordered comrade Shoigu to telephone here or there,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in his nightly video message.

Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said “Russian lies” about a dirty bomb “are as absurd as they are dangerous”.

“Firstly, Ukraine is a committed NPT [nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty] member: We neither have any ‘dirty bombs’ nor plan to acquire any,” he said. “Secondly, Russians often accuse others of what they plan themselves.”"


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...a-says-ukraine-plans-to-detonate-a-dirty-bomb

 

[aries]

ker-ching....

LOL I love this direction! Make the cunts pay to fix Ukraine. Fairs fair.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

“PuTiN wOuLd NeVeR UsE NuKe”
Making the excuse to do it though

We'll know if they're going to use a nuke, we don't have to guess.

So far, they haven't readied a tactical nuke, and every nation's intelligence is aware of it.

It's rhetoric.

If they ready something, then it becomes plausible. Until then, it's not.