International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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Rholk said:
Certainly starting to look that way yes, but I doubt it happens in the next few months
anyway:
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Great! I can't wait! Getting kind of tired and logging into this thread every few weeks and seeing declarations of how terrible are things for Russia and how fucked they are only to find the war still going on, the same types of promises of their failure repeated week after week, month after month, as I see Europe on the verge of freezing in the dark over the winter because of Russia's countermeasures. I guess it'll just be one bad winter then.
 
Fake Doctor said:
Great! I can't wait! Getting kind of tired and logging into this thread every few weeks and seeing declarations of how terrible are things for Russia and how fucked they are only to find the war still going on, the same types of promises of their failure repeated week after week, month after month, as I see Europe on the verge of freezing in the dark over the winter because of Russia's countermeasures. I guess it'll just be one bad winter then.
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giusti825 said:
The longer this all goes on.... The less Ukraine will get at the negotiating table. This war could be over tomorrow if NATO didn't keep telling Zelensky not to negotiate.

Peace would be better than more unnecessary death. European leaders are willing to let their people freeze to continue the sanctions. The protests are starting to grow. I'd prefer a neutral Ukraine over the suffering that is accompanying this decision to try to join NATO and their shelling of the Donbass.
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LOL I thought the "Ukraine should surrender" knobs had all given up on this sad troll bait.
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DEVILsSON said:
Because no one gives a f about some ethnic Asian Russians dying. Are they even 'really' Russians? To average Russian probably not really. When Slav people from Moscow and Leningrad start dying in high numbers vs like a couple so far then people will start to care. Mass mobilization will put an end to all the facades.
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This ......

Because since 1914 th war heavily depends from ammunition, weapons and coordination....
Advantage in manporver doesn't matter so much...
Equipment, weapons, intelligence and survilance matters everything....

For example the same disappointment with Tzar was after huge losses due to lack of good coordination....despite Russia had not lesser machine guns, really usable airplanes and cannons...

With lack of well coordinted artillery supoort Tzar's generals in 1915-1917 turned for example Baltic countries area into....idiotic meat grinder for lads . from locals till guys from siberia...
Mountain of machine guns and Isle of Death were damn notable areas....
Hate vs monarchy had born....when they provided delayed artillery support and xxxx casualities in 1 day then was ....nothing special...
And even officers knew that they have not worse artillery than germans...in not lower numbers and with then not that bad ammo supplies...
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Since Russia's main advantage vs Ukr was...
More than 10X advantage in MRLS launchers and long range guns number + ofc without any doubts also in air defense and infamous Thocka missiles....
The same Uragan MRLS...70... vs 72 in Belarus and ~900 MRLS....etc...
These are numbers reported by these countries in 2017 th...

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Fundamental part of russias Kremlin propaganda is to claim technological advantage and superority in these suprweapons number and ammo they have...
Mobilisation will ruin this image quickly......

Also for financial reasons: f.m will allow plebs to delay monthly debts payments to banks and loan shark firms....:D
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Next stuff: they does have land, mortgage in different locations etc...and money and kids they want to see rich, healthy and lucky....and these too does have $ and mortgage and businesses...not only in Russia...
They also not rare cases does have cancerofobia....

Also if they will use tactical nuke .....this will with 0 doubt prove for plebs in Russia that Russia is technically 3 rd world country.....while claimed that are 1 st world country and well skilled in high tech to beat plebs in Ukr with conventional war...

They most likely also had underestimated a lot of factors in EU...
Like trolling Prince of Pain....living in info bubble and claiming that others are living in info bubble...

Term " cheap natural gas " doesn't exist in EU 15 years in row...
It was correct term until 2007 th...
 
Rholk said:
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I don't think the Europeans are laughing over it. The Belgian Prime Minister has some things to say about how things are going:

"The European Union must take immediate action to address the energy crisis or else face dire economic consequences, according to Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo.

"A few weeks like this and the European economy will just go into a full stop," he told Bloomberg on Thursday. "Recovering from that is going to be much more complicated than intervening in gas markets today. The risk of that is de-industrialization and severe risk of fundamental social unrest."

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"What you are seeing today is a massive drainage of prosperity out of the European Union," he said.

Since Russia began cutting supplies to Europe, natural gas prices have soared, and are trading at 10 times the price of the five-year average, according to Bloomberg data.

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"I think we don't have the space to again say, 'OK, we put something in the text and then we meet each other in two months,'" De Croo said. "In two months, with these prices, I fear it's too late.""



European Energy Crisis Risks Bringing Economy to 'Full Stop': Belgian PM (businessinsider.com)

But keep posting your tweets, little laughing memes, and saying "Any day now! Next week! Next month! Next year!" It's real funny. And I ask as I did in another thread... Is this what winning looks like? Way to go West - you're doing it!

<{outtahere}>

Now post another little map and a picture of a blown up tank. Maybe you can do a few edits with a sharpie to get to the big victory that doesn't have Europe on the border of its economy catastrophically tanking while people are worried about whether they'll be able to heat their homes this winter. Months of this - half a fucking year - and you people are still going on about how great things are going... Oye.
 
Fake Doctor said:
I don't think the Europeans are laughing over it. The Belgian Prime Minister has some things to say about how things are going:

"The European Union must take immediate action to address the energy crisis or else face dire economic consequences, according to Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo.

"A few weeks like this and the European economy will just go into a full stop," he told Bloomberg on Thursday. "Recovering from that is going to be much more complicated than intervening in gas markets today. The risk of that is de-industrialization and severe risk of fundamental social unrest."

...

"What you are seeing today is a massive drainage of prosperity out of the European Union," he said.

Since Russia began cutting supplies to Europe, natural gas prices have soared, and are trading at 10 times the price of the five-year average, according to Bloomberg data.

...

"I think we don't have the space to again say, 'OK, we put something in the text and then we meet each other in two months,'" De Croo said. "In two months, with these prices, I fear it's too late.""



European Energy Crisis Risks Bringing Economy to 'Full Stop': Belgian PM (businessinsider.com)

But keep posting your tweets, little laughing memes, and saying "Any day now! Next week! Next month! Next year!" It's real funny. And I ask as I did in another thread... Is this what winning looks like? Way to go West - you're doing it!

<{outtahere}>

Now post another little map and a picture of a blown up tank. Maybe you can do a few edits with a sharpie to get to the big victory that doesn't have Europe on the border of its economy catastrophically tanking while people are worried about whether they'll be able to heat their homes this winter. Months of this - half a fucking year - and you people are still going on about how great things are going... Oye.
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The biggest news in this conflict right now is the UK advance. No one is saying the energy situation in Europe isn't important. Your whining is quite weird.
 
Fake Doctor said:
I don't think the Europeans are laughing over it. The Belgian Prime Minister has some things to say about how things are going:

"The European Union must take immediate action to address the energy crisis or else face dire economic consequences, according to Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo.

"A few weeks like this and the European economy will just go into a full stop," he told Bloomberg on Thursday. "Recovering from that is going to be much more complicated than intervening in gas markets today. The risk of that is de-industrialization and severe risk of fundamental social unrest."

...

"What you are seeing today is a massive drainage of prosperity out of the European Union," he said.

Since Russia began cutting supplies to Europe, natural gas prices have soared, and are trading at 10 times the price of the five-year average, according to Bloomberg data.

...

"I think we don't have the space to again say, 'OK, we put something in the text and then we meet each other in two months,'" De Croo said. "In two months, with these prices, I fear it's too late.""



European Energy Crisis Risks Bringing Economy to 'Full Stop': Belgian PM (businessinsider.com)

But keep posting your tweets, little laughing memes, and saying "Any day now! Next week! Next month! Next year!" It's real funny. And I ask as I did in another thread... Is this what winning looks like? Way to go West - you're doing it!

<{outtahere}>

Now post another little map and a picture of a blown up tank. Maybe you can do a few edits with a sharpie to get to the big victory that doesn't have Europe on the border of its economy catastrophically tanking while people are worried about whether they'll be able to heat their homes this winter. Months of this - half a fucking year - and you people are still going on about how great things are going... Oye.
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Yeah, I'm from europe
<{outtahere}>
Inflation (largely due to the gas prices) is a problem and will be for some time, and Europe will have to take (and is taking) measures to counter this.
It'll be an expensive winter for most, sure.
I don't see how this relates to the Russian clusterfuck in Ukraine.
You seem to be very upset, since appearently someone told you this was going to be a swift victory within a month (not quite sure who promised you but ok).
You talk as if begging the Russians for gas was ever a serious option after their invasion.
So i hate to tell you this, that relation will not be restored any time soon.
Now if you're looking for someone to get mad at, you might wanna consider the guy who started it.
Altho in all fairness, Europe (spearheaded by Germany) allowed itself to be way too dependant on cheap Russian gas
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Rumors about nuclear artillery shells too are like paper tiger Stalin had created when started to bully friends from west when he had just 1-2 working nukes ....he demanded to cede him West Berlin....1949. Birth of NATO....against traitor Stalin..


Nuclear artillery shells is very expensive to maintain ....and vs exp power they does have they are insanely expensive...
Cos requires elite grade fissile material....and Swiss elite watchmaker's level skills to produce these and especially to maintain these....

203 mm and 152 mm nuclear shell is possible to produce while it will be very expensive and ...lesser prone to abuse...
Cos usually they does have like Luna in 1960 ies...
You remove shell from container keeping temperature etc...Container ofc might be locked with code locks and physical locks too as addition.

When you get shell in hands, you simply manually remove 2-3 safety ropes from shell and....shell is armed and ready to detonate....
So simple....:(


While production and maintenance for these isn't cheap at all .....

If compare even with warhead for Thocka : missile with 610 mm diameter...
For Thocka it is easier to produce and maintain and it is possible to add code control you need to
 
Fake Doctor said:
I don't think the Europeans are laughing over it. The Belgian Prime Minister has some things to say about how things are going:

"The European Union must take immediate action to address the energy crisis or else face dire economic consequences, according to Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo.

"A few weeks like this and the European economy will just go into a full stop," he told Bloomberg on Thursday. "Recovering from that is going to be much more complicated than intervening in gas markets today. The risk of that is de-industrialization and severe risk of fundamental social unrest."

...

"What you are seeing today is a massive drainage of prosperity out of the European Union," he said.

Since Russia began cutting supplies to Europe, natural gas prices have soared, and are trading at 10 times the price of the five-year average, according to Bloomberg data.

...

"I think we don't have the space to again say, 'OK, we put something in the text and then we meet each other in two months,'" De Croo said. "In two months, with these prices, I fear it's too late.""



European Energy Crisis Risks Bringing Economy to 'Full Stop': Belgian PM (businessinsider.com)

But keep posting your tweets, little laughing memes, and saying "Any day now! Next week! Next month! Next year!" It's real funny. And I ask as I did in another thread... Is this what winning looks like? Way to go West - you're doing it!

<{outtahere}>

Now post another little map and a picture of a blown up tank. Maybe you can do a few edits with a sharpie to get to the big victory that doesn't have Europe on the border of its economy catastrophically tanking while people are worried about whether they'll be able to heat their homes this winter. Months of this - half a fucking year - and you people are still going on about how great things are going... Oye.
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It's funny you should accuse me of being disingenuous and then make this post.

In the article you sourced, I don't suppose you noticed that at no point does the Belgian PM suggest a withdrawal of support for Ukraine or any change to that support, and further, "On security of supply for gas and electricity this winter, De Croo said Belgium will be fine, but if any European country gets into a situation of blackouts it will be a “gigantic problem for all of us.”"

He's saying they need to take measures within the EU to help people through the winter, not crying that they should ditch the Ukrainians over it. Now, tell us again how the war is not going as fast as you want it to progress. A month ago, the narrative coming from Putin's Excuses For Abandoning Support of Ukraine department was that everything was bogged down and attrition would be the downfall of Ukraine. Now. it's that they aren't winning fast enough so we are all a bunch of lemmings.

Impressive mental gymnastics. The cognitive dissonance is right there in the first sentence you quote, "The European Union must take immediate action to address the energy crisis or else face dire economic consequences," not, the European Union can fix this whole issue just by leaving Ukrainians to be massacred by invaders.

See you next month.
 
Funny how trump made the GOP best buds with Putin, and many Sherfronters joined in. Since the war they have been pretty quiet. Trump in bed with saudis and Russians and the chuds follow suit. Hard to walk this one back. But the spin is fun to watch.
 
Rholk said:
Yeah, I'm from europe
<{outtahere}>
Inflation (largely due to the gas prices) is a problem and will be for some time, and Europe will have to take (and is taking) measures to counter this.
It'll be an expensive winter for most, sure.
I don't see how this relates to the Russian clusterfuck in Ukraine.
You seem to be very upset, since appearently someone told you this was going to be a swift victory within a month (not quite sure who promised you but ok).
You talk as if begging the Russians for gas was ever a serious option after their invasion.
So i hate to tell you this, that relation will not be restored any time soon.
Now if you're looking for someone to get mad at, you might wanna consider the guy who started it.
Altho in all fairness, Europe (spearheaded by Germany) allowed itself to be way too dependant on cheap Russian gas
Edit: damnit forgot the map
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Russia's natural gas isn't cheap and wasn't since 2007 th...

We had put a lot of efforts to save energy from lighting solutions where we achieved a lot ....till thermal insulation solutions helping us to save money not only during cold autumns and winters or harsh spring periods....
Also to save our money and efforts during hot periods...

Some countries like Lithuania and Poland were able to cease Russia's natural gas imports at all...
Finland too looks that will be able despite Kremlin's propagandists yelling long months ago how they will collapse with blackouts and failed paper and wood industry etc promises....

Other countries in general had reduced Russia's natural gas import....even Kremlin's puppet Lukashenko who managed to build 2 reactors....and some small HPPs....despite he is getting Gazprom natural gas with huge discounts as Kremlin's puppet and supporter...
Get this..

Only Germany had seriously increased russia's natural gas purchases ammounts in volume during las maybe 15 years. .

Belgium had scheduled to close 2 old reactors and replace these with thermal power plants fueled with Russia's natural gas....now this by 99% is cancelled and old plan for dreamers...
 
giusti825 said:
The longer this all goes on.... The less Ukraine will get at the negotiating table. This war could be over tomorrow if NATO didn't keep telling Zelensky not to negotiate.

Peace would be better than more unnecessary death. European leaders are willing to let their people freeze to continue the sanctions. The protests are starting to grow. I'd prefer a neutral Ukraine over the suffering that is accompanying this decision to try to join NATO and their shelling of the Donbass.
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Ukraine offered to become neutral extremely early in the war, but Russia wasn't interested in a neutral neighbour that still had autonomy and so they continued to attack assuming they didn't suck militarily (which they do) and could win the war easily (which they couldn't).

So unless you have a serious proposal, you can feel free to drop this moronic narrative that Ukraine need to surrender.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-security-guarantees-russia-talks-2022-03-29/
 
Fake Doctor said:
I was a bit late this month to ask my monthly "So, have we won yet?" and I come in to see this - awesome! So it's happening now, right? The Russians are going to lose the war? They've been beaten? I'll be able to go onto the CBC, BBC, CNN, etc, soon, and see the declarations of victory?

On the other fronts - I've been hearing, for months now, that the Russian economy is on the verge of collapse and the war is almost over because of how much the sanctions are devestating them. The sanctions are working and crushing them. I'm guessing I'll see that in the forthcoming victory reports too?
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Slow and painful buddy, slow and painful. The west won't give them the privilege of a fast go to home defeat.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Was my parody post on point, or was it on point? These guys, it's like they read a script or some shit lmao
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im fond of he way they constantly ask the same shit question, shows determination if nothing else...
 
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