International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8
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Is your dumb ass going to try to attack a single assertion I made?
I made a lot.
Try to disprove one. I'll wait.
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You're not neutral though.
You weigh horrible russian information with a substantially higher regard than any rational person should in some vain attempt try to hold up this air of objectivity.
I will admit I'm quite impressed by this shit stir you caused with this gem:
Credit where it's due.
Out of curiosity can you give a few examples of what Russia has done surprisingly well?
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But they've made no sustainable reversals of Russian gains. So, what exactly are you celebrating, other than dead civilians?
The reason the very idea of the Kherson counteroffensive was so laughable was because, unless you're cognitively impaired, it was obvious that an infantry and armour push across open ground against artillery and air support, with none of their own, was a suicide charge. It's not really laughable now that the Ukrainians, many of them reservists or territorial defence forces (so, the civilians that were handed rifles for the first time a few months ago), have suffered a tremendous loss of life.
I assume that your strategic awareness was honed playing Starcraft?
It's interesting how the counteroffensive was spun into a "distraction" for the real counteroffensive near Kharkov to which they've committed fewer troops and which even American military planners have advised against.
The war has been a disaster for Europe as well as for the overall myth of Western military prowess. Partially because the West's entire strategy is a PR strategy. And a PR strategy can obviously only expect limited success when you're losing the military and economic confrontation.
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Ukraine is tearing Russia apart with 20 something MRLS systems, 200 something howitzers and HARM rockets on old planes.
Western Military prowess is at full show here. For every 5 guns Russia has the west is sending 1... maybe. That is enough to stop russia in its tracks. It's an advertisement for smart weapons how easily the west has put Russia on the defensive.
Unfortunately the west is probably more concerned about having tech captured and taken back to china than they are winning this war as quickly as possible. You can see this with nerfed m777's (later undone) and other examples along with the type of military aid provided. Stuff they don't give a shit about and the good shit (artillery) stuck well in the rear far away from capture (theoretically)
The big question mark for offensive success long term is western tanks. They're at the front though which makes them much more exposed to capture so the west is very hesitant to send them.
To say that the west is losing the military confrontation when it's clear they're more worried about their tech being captured than the army they're fighting is pretty funny.
Wait, when did I do that? I don’t buy propaganda from any side. I am looking at this as a critical observer and thus challenge any assertion made (obviously I can’t challenge all in here as I have a life). Quite the contrary many claims made here either by @PEB or @Strychnine were from questionable sources and turned out to be nothing burgers (no offense to Strych, I heavily disagree on his biased posting and questionable modding in this thread, but I pretty much agree with him on most other topics/threads. Can’t dislike him because of one disagreement. Similarly to PEB who in other threads seems reasonable, but posts garbage in here often.). Many supposed Ukraine supporters in here are overly emotional. It’s a war, I am interested in facts and not emotions by people that are not impacted at all. The only ones I take seriously in here, because they are actually impacted are @Cole train and @Zinger
Ok, let me get this straight. You think, despite Ukraine being given military training, the best intelligence you can get, billions in support by the most powerful nations on this planet, that Russia has done horribly? By horribly I don’t mean the alleged war crimes, just militarily. What do you think they could have done better? Keep in mind, they are still fighting an army that has much better intelligence than Russia.
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You made the assertion that they're doing surprisingly well. I asked for an example. You're the neutral source. Maybe i'm too biased and don't know. Humor me and provide a couple of examples of the instances where you thought hey Russia did... in your own words "surprisingly well"
Because I can't think of any, maybe i'm wrong. I mean they certainly won the artillery battle for a while there before Western Artillery arrived but I wouldn't call their success for that period surprising.
Just a couple of specifics to back up your assertion. Do that and I'll not only tell you what they have done horribly and could have done better i'll also relatively easily dismantle your NYT? article. I dunno, didn't read it. Don't really have to.
So yeah what have they done surprisingly well?
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The fact that they were pushing back 700k army that defends with 200k guys before western tech arrived is actually kinda ridiculous
Breaks some basic military rules
Not saying rus mil is some killing machine like US but they are making my countrys soldier manual book look little ridiculous now lol
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No.
A proxy war is a war instigated by a military power which does not get involved directly. The west didn't instigate the war. Russia took advantage of the upheaval of the Ukraine PM when he turned down a free trade agreement with Europe and basically declared loyalty to Putin instead of the people.
The west didn't instigate the military intervention and it didn't instigate Russian influence overextending their own reach backfiring. Those are both Russian errors and the West can't really get much credit for it.
They are backing an ally. Same result but not the same thing.
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I don't think they were at 700k yet certainly not 700 effective. They didn't really push Ukraine back though. They certainly laid on the casualties but territory gain during their advantage was minimal and they didn't really use it to gain anything of significance militarily, more moral capturing the region than strategic importance.
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Im throwing 700k simply because zelensky said so lol, of course real number can be lower
They were slowly pushing ukr back until mid summer when western tech really started to come in play ( rus was using artillery to slowly grind one trench at a time),that advantage went away thanks to west so they got stuck.
Right now Ukr is taking back areas they lost up north in summer
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Dude @PrinceOfPain is a clown. He has this weird rabid hatred for the US and it’s fascinating to watch really. He went from rational to totally inane by the end of that post when he started trying to tie it to some how the West failing, which he always does. You would think that western tourists ran trains on his mom or something. I really don’t know what’s wrong with that goober.
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Holding water for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is bad enough, but for god sake at least admit it lmao
They are backing NATO countries in europe..
We all know what will happen if Ukr will get 404.
1. Border control will fall apart quickly....
2. Russia will get land border with Hungary, more long land border with Poland, land border with Slovakia and Romania....cos 0 doubts that they will deNazify Moldova too if will get land border with them. Sooner or later...
Germany, Austria and Czech Republic and Slovakia, Hungary, Romania will get CONSIDERABLY more refugees than they now does have and in this case....a lot of males too..
It will be very expensive .....damn expensive in all aspects....from $ till security reasons...
3. Russia if will manage to fold Ukr and Moldova will attempt to turn Orban into Lukashenko No2....with 0 doubts...and Hungary into something like Belarus...
For example friendly exercises in Hungary and after this deNazification in Austria with target deNazification in Bavaria and Czech Republic...
Ofc also energetic bullying and prices will increase....
Georgia.
De nazification and they will have long waited land border with Turkey....
For Russia very lucrative is to get land borders with Hungary, Turkey and Iran...for a reason...
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Over 1000 square kilometres have been liberated by the Ukrainian army in only 8 days of the September offensive. This was stated by the President of Ukraine on September 8. Russian army takes huge losses in territory and manpower on the front lines, and the soldiers themselves desperately confirm to their Russian wifes the successes of the Ukrainian warriors on all directions of the counter-offensive operation. ___________________________________ Subscribe to UATV English: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/UATVEN Twitter: https://twitter.com/UATV_en Telegram: https://t.me/uatv_eng Website : https://uatv.ua/en/ #UATV #UATV_English #UkraineNews #UATV_News #News #Ukraine #UkrainianNews #EventsInUkraine #LatestNews #TopNewsUkraine
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