International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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Zinger said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Russian and Latvian governments had a written agreement that we would preserve and upkeep their WW2 monuments and gravesites of the fallen soldiers. It was one of the conditions for Russia to withdraw their army from Latvia in 1994, that's why it couldn't be done.

Obviously, because of the current events we've decided to not honour the agreement anymore.
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A it wasn't.
B, this shit wasn't gravesite.
It was monument in simple park to honour nazists- commies and Stalinism.
C. You are fearful OR are working for Kremlin....
 
ferrisjso said:
Hmm

UK 380,000 lost
US 420,000 lost
USSR 27,000,000 lost

Also many of these losses came against the Japanese especially for the US. I wonder why these vatniks give all the credit to USSR?
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Because vatniks are vatniks....

Your credit you might celebrate in Russia....maybe in Donbas....in best case...
 
Rational Poster said:
Thanks for demonstrating the long history of Russian incompetence in warfare.
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They doesn'l love to remember history...
They can't admit that IF Hitler didn't had lost >2000 airplanes vs U.K ...before had invaded USSR...then Hitler for sure had steamrolled Leningrad and Moscow....in 1941 th...

Also reality that Allies not only had provided more than 14 000 000 tons lend lease to USSR ...
They also had bombed Hitler's infrastructure and factories, ports etc AND ....had fought vs Hitler's fleet....

Dunno how long USSR had lasted IF Hitler didn't had fought also vs U.K ....+ to hold all captured areas in europe...
From ports in Norway till...areas in France etc....
 
SandisLL said:
My little Kremlin's advocate, you are working here.
Prob you are well paid my dear.
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I make no money.

You are western capitalist advocate you are prob paid very well my dear.
 
SandisLL said:
Because vatniks are vatniks....

Your credit you might celebrate in Russia....maybe in Donbas....in best case...
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Most people don't understand that sheer quantity of vital war materials the US and UK provided the the USSR.

Over 1/3rd of all explosive materials came from the United States. More than half of their aviation fuel. More than half of their aluminum. 80% of all their copper. Tens of thousands of radios.

More than a 3rd of their vehicles were through lend lease. Tens of thousands of Katyusha rocket launchers used American trucks as a chassis. Over 2000 trains and exponentially more train cars were provided which without they simply would not have been able to move forces around their own country, let alone conduct any assaults. 30,000+ metal lathes and other factory equipment. Millions of tons of food and medical supplies. Fucking 15 million pairs of boots.

Without America and UK they would have been walking barefoot to Siberia before being exterminated. Instead they were able to march to Berlin with boots on their feet in American jeeps and train cars.

If there was no lend lease the Russians would have had to fight the Nazis with half the ammunition, half the aircraft, 1/3rd less vehicles and an 1800s logistics network.

Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov saying in a KGB recording of a private conversation 1963: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."

Russian historian Boris Sokolov

"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler.

It should be remembered that during World War I, the transportation crisis in Russia in 1916-17 that did a lot to facilitate the February Revolution [which lead to the abdication of the tsar] was caused by a shortage in the production of railway rails, engines, and freight cars because industrial production had been diverted to munitions. During World War II, only the supplies brought in by Lend-Lease prevented the paralysis of rail transport in the Soviet Union.

The Lend-Lease program also sent tons of factory equipment and machine tools to the Soviet Union, including more than 38,000 lathes and other metal-working tools. Such machines were of higher quality than analogues produced in the Soviet Union, which made a significant contribution to boosting Soviet industrial production.

In order to really assess the significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet victory, you only have to imagine how the Soviet Union would have had to fight if there had been no Lend-Lease aid. Without Lend-Lease, the Red Army would not have had about one-third of its ammunition, half of its aircraft, or half of its tanks. In addition, there would have been constant shortages of transportation and fuel. The railroads would have periodically come to a halt. And Soviet forces would have been much more poorly coordinated with a constant lack of radio equipment. And they would have been perpetually hungry without American canned meat and fats."
 
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Zinger said:
Maaaaaaaaan, I hate when I'm going on an anti Soviet rant, and someone brings this up. My mood sinks and my balls crawl back inside my body instantly.
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Many people were bewitched by communism at this time, I wouldn't feel bad about it. After all, it had never yet been tried.

And you can still have a decent claim on them, after all, at the time, the RSDLP had declared the right of the various nationalities within the Russian Empire to self-determination. Only later would people learn that this independence in a federated socialist republic meant very little, and that everything would be run from Moscow.
 
Rational Poster said:
Most people don't understand that sheer quantity of vital war materials the US and UK provided the the USSR.

Over 1/3rd of all explosive materials came from the United States. More than half of their aviation fuel. More than half of their aluminum. 80% of all their copper. Tens of thousands of radios.

More than a 3rd of their vehicles were through lend lease. Tens of thousands of Katyusha rocket launchers used American trucks as a chassis. Over 2000 trains and exponentially more train cars were provided which without they simply would not have been able to move forces around their own country, let alone conduct any assaults. 30,000+ metal lathes and other factory equipment. Millions of tons of food and medical supplies. Fucking 15 million pairs of boots.

Without America and UK they would have been walking barefoot to Siberia before being exterminated. Instead they were able to march to Berlin with boots on their feet in American jeeps and train cars.

If there was no lend lease the Russians would have had to fight the Nazis with half the ammunition, half the aircraft, 1/3rd less vehicles and an 1800s logistics network.

Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov saying in a KGB recording of a private conversation 1963: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."

Russian historian Boris Sokolov

"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler.

It should be remembered that during World War I, the transportation crisis in Russia in 1916-17 that did a lot to facilitate the February Revolution [which lead to the abdication of the tsar] was caused by a shortage in the production of railway rails, engines, and freight cars because industrial production had been diverted to munitions. During World War II, only the supplies brought in by Lend-Lease prevented the paralysis of rail transport in the Soviet Union.

The Lend-Lease program also sent tons of factory equipment and machine tools to the Soviet Union, including more than 38,000 lathes and other metal-working tools. Such machines were of higher quality than analogues produced in the Soviet Union, which made a significant contribution to boosting Soviet industrial production.

In order to really assess the significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet victory, you only have to imagine how the Soviet Union would have had to fight if there had been no Lend-Lease aid. Without Lend-Lease, the Red Army would not have had about one-third of its ammunition, half of its aircraft, or half of its tanks. In addition, there would have been constant shortages of transportation and fuel. The railroads would have periodically come to a halt. And Soviet forces would have been much more poorly coordinated with a constant lack of radio equipment. And they would have been perpetually hungry without American canned meat and fats."
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This is a great point. It also leaves out that we literally sent them an entire industrial plant as well -entire petroleum refineries, all their aircraft fuel, entire factories. There were known Soviet agents running the lend-lease to the USSR, the whole time was crazy.
 
Denter said:
Many people were bewitched by communism at this time, I wouldn't feel bad about it. After all, it had never yet been tried.

And you can still have a decent claim on them, after all, at the time, the RSDLP had declared the right of the various nationalities within the Russian Empire to self-determination. Only later would people learn that this independence in a federated socialist republic meant very little, and that everything would be run from Moscow.
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People don't seem to understand what communism was supposed to be and it certainly wasn't Stalinism.

"Real" Communism would be a decentralized collection of unions and trade federations and other autonomous entities and regions.

The tyrannical central authority that developed in the USSR is just something else entirely.
 
Rational Poster said:
People don't seem to understand what communism was supposed to be and it certainly wasn't Stalinism.

"Real" Communism would be a decentralized collection of unions and trade federations and other autonomous entities and regions.

The tyrannical central authority that developed in the USSR is just something else entirely.
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Orthodox Marxists of course opposed the October Revolution on those grounds- they had not yet progressed through to bourgeois capitalism, much less late capitalism- they tried to jump from feudal to socialism in one go. Plekhanov predicted that such an armed left-wing coup would just result in what we would now call a 3rd world dictatorship, and he was right, but I think that was always going to happen.
 
Color me shocked "not really" it looking more an more like Putin ordered a hit on the guy hit his daughter. He advised Putin into the sh#t show Ukraine war he's apparently ill now more shocked. Not really.


 
Comment from the Russian embassy about the monument dismantling.

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agm-88 harm combat useage. Looks like UA airforced used it on a TOR





and this is why the Ukrainian airforce is still active. Becuse the russian high command is borderline retard an busy hitting Civilian targets and not military
 
Rholk said:
They didn't have to screw the Poles over like that tho.
I can't really view the Soviet Union as a good guy during WW2, just because there was a worse guy around
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You just perfectly summed up how I feel about this current war with Ukraine and Russia.
 
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