International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Anewt]

Who knows who's responsible. But things are going to get worse I guess

 

[7even]

https://funker530.com/video/igla-manpads-knock-down-russian-aircraft/?ref=app

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Who knows who's responsible. But things are going to get worse I guess

False flag?

I don't understand?

How are they going to false flag something like this, and what would it achieve?

Only silly conclusion I can jump to is that she died of an overdose and they wanted to cover it up, but I'm not a conspiracy nut.

 

[Anewt]

False flag?

I don't understand?

How are they going to false flag something like this, and what would it achieve?

Only silly conclusion I can jump to is that she died of an overdose and they wanted to cover it up, but I'm not a conspiracy nut.

Yeah honestly I don't buy that one but thought it was interesting. ( was more pointing out the demands for revenge )

I guess the theory of claiming Russia doing it to themselves is ( if done by Russians to crack down on dissenters) ridiculous imo as they don't seem to have a problem doing that already.

If Russia claims Ukraine did it. To justify more force against Ukraine..

Once again seems unlikely to me as they dont seem to have problem with that already.

it's not likely a Russian false flag imo

 

[KaNesDeath]

Solid take.

Not really. State Department/Biden made it very clear to Zelenskyy that no military operation should happen in Russia.

 

[USA!USA!]

False flag?

I don't understand?

How are they going to false flag something like this, and what would it achieve?

Only silly conclusion I can jump to is that she died of an overdose and they wanted to cover it up, but I'm not a conspiracy nut.

"Russians vow to strike Ukraine" - there is your answer to what it would achieve (at least they hope).

 

[Strychnine]

Not really. State Department/Biden made it very clear to Zelenskyy that no military operation should happen in Russia.

So, Russian rebels?

 

[Joe]

These are who the anti-imperialist left sides with

 

[Denter]

Hmm.

So is he hated by some in Russia?

Because logically, if a guy is a boogeyman in the West only, that suggests this action may be Western-led?

No one knows. Ukraine denied involvement. It could be infernal beef as well- in Dugin's last telegram post he strongly advocated mobilization and criticized the Russian government's unwillingness to use their full force on Ukraine.

 

[MTT]

ISW sticking their necks out with today's call. We will see. They've made similar statements in the past but Russia has been barely crawling since July.

"Russian offensive operations in eastern Ukraine have likely exhausted the limited momentum they gained at the end of July and are likely culminating. The Russian military has shown a continual inability to translate small tactical gains into operational successes, a failing that will likely prevent Russia from making significant territorial advances in the coming months barring major changes on the battlefield."


Source: https://www.understandingwar.org

 

[Fox by the Sea]

ISW sticking their necks out with today's call. We will see. They've made similar statements in the past but Russia has been barely crawling since July.

"Russian offensive operations in eastern Ukraine have likely exhausted the limited momentum they gained at the end of July and are likely culminating. The Russian military has shown a continual inability to translate small tactical gains into operational successes, a failing that will likely prevent Russia from making significant territorial advances in the coming months barring major changes on the battlefield."


Source: https://www.understandingwar.org

i don't understand why people pay attention to isw. they're terribly partial.
remember when the russians made the ukrainians retreat from lysychansk? ISW titled it something like - the retreat made the russian efforts culminate prematurely. i mean, comical stuff.
get ko'd in the third round? it just means your opponent wasted a lot of time training and his energy levels which were prepared for a 12 round battle are a miscalculation.

 

[MTT]

i don't understand why people pay attention to isw. they're terribly partial.
remember when the russians made the ukrainians retreat from lysychansk? ISW titled it something like - the retreat made the russian efforts culminate prematurely. i mean, comical stuff.
get ko'd in the third round? it just means your opponent wasted a lot of time training and his energy levels which were prepared for a 12 round battle are a miscalculation.

I am not sure about that headline. On July 2nd, the update was:

Ukrainian forces likely conducted a deliberate withdrawal from Lysychansk, resulting in the Russian seizure of the city on July 2. Geolocated footage showed Russian forces casually walking around northern and southeastern neighborhoods in Lysychansk in a way that suggests that there are few or no remaining Ukrainian forces in the city as of July 2. Ukrainian military officials did not publicly announce a troop withdrawal but neither did they report on defensive battles around Lysychansk.

That seems like an accurate assessment from my memory. When Sievierodonetsk finally fell, there was not much of a fight for Lysychansk prior to the retreat.

I don't think they are completely impartial but their updates are typically in line with other sources, regardless of their perceived soft rhetoric.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I am not sure about that headline. On July 2nd, the update was:

Ukrainian forces likely conducted a deliberate withdrawal from Lysychansk, resulting in the Russian seizure of the city on July 2. Geolocated footage showed Russian forces casually walking around northern and southeastern neighborhoods in Lysychansk in a way that suggests that there are few or no remaining Ukrainian forces in the city as of July 2. Ukrainian military officials did not publicly announce a troop withdrawal but neither did they report on defensive battles around Lysychansk.

That seems like an accurate assessment from my memory. When Sievierodonetsk finally fell, there was not much of a fight for Lysychansk prior to the retreat.

I don't think they are completely impartial but their updates are typically in line with other sources, regardless of their perceived soft rhetoric.

here it is.

Ukrainian forces are likely conducting a fighting withdrawal that may include pulling back from Lysychansk and Luhansk Oblast in the near future and which probably aims to force the Russian offensive to culminate prematurely. The Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Ambassador to Russia Rodion Miroshnik and Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces began a large-scale withdrawal from Lysychansk towards Siversk, Kramatorsk, and Slovyansk on June 28.[1] Although ISW cannot confirm independently Miroshnik’s claims of an ongoing withdrawal, Ukrainian forces may continue the fighting withdrawal that began in Severodonetsk to Ukrainian strongholds around Siversk, Kramatorsk, and Slovyansk. The staunch but limited Ukrainian defense of Severodonetsk imposed high costs on the Russians despite new Russian tactics intended to limit Russian casualties. Kyiv could continue this approach until the Russian attack culminates or Ukrainian forces reach more defensible positions along a straighter line dotted with fortified cities and towns.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 28 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)

 

[MTT]

here it is.

Ukrainian forces are likely conducting a fighting withdrawal that may include pulling back from Lysychansk and Luhansk Oblast in the near future and which probably aims to force the Russian offensive to culminate prematurely. The Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Ambassador to Russia Rodion Miroshnik and Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces began a large-scale withdrawal from Lysychansk towards Siversk, Kramatorsk, and Slovyansk on June 28.[1] Although ISW cannot confirm independently Miroshnik’s claims of an ongoing withdrawal, Ukrainian forces may continue the fighting withdrawal that began in Severodonetsk to Ukrainian strongholds around Siversk, Kramatorsk, and Slovyansk. The staunch but limited Ukrainian defense of Severodonetsk imposed high costs on the Russians despite new Russian tactics intended to limit Russian casualties. Kyiv could continue this approach until the Russian attack culminates or Ukrainian forces reach more defensible positions along a straighter line dotted with fortified cities and towns.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 28 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)

You've never culminated prematurely? It's a funny way to word it but Russia did enact an operational pause after they captured Lysychansk. That's the culmination done softly. I check a list of other sources daily and ISW is typically on the ball with what has been captured. Their bullet point run downs are not completely impartial in regards to other war news they share, that's for sure.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You've never culminated prematurely? It's a funny way to word it but Russia did enact an operational pause after they captured Lysychansk. That's the culmination done softly.

it's funny indeed.

 

[Ridgeback]

Anyone know a somewhat accurate # of how many Russian troops have been killed so far? I googled it but the internet is all over the fucking place, as usual.

 

[MTT]

it's funny indeed.

There are very few if any impartial sources. You need to scan through ISW and others, then check the flipside of the coin to get an accurate sense of what's occurring. While ISW might use soft language to describe when events are going against Ukraine, Russian sources are certainly not impartial.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

There are very few if any impartial sources. You need to scan through ISW and others, then check the flipside of the coin to get an accurate sense of what's occurring. While ISW might use soft language to describe when events are going against Ukraine, Russian sources are certainly not impartial.

agreed. it's been a very difficult war to get proper info about.

 

[MTT]

Anyone know a somewhat accurate # of how many Russian troops have been killed so far? I googled it but the internet is all over the fucking place, as usual.

1 to 45,000

In early August "Pentagon Sources" claimed 70-80,000 Russian casualties. 15-20,000 dead. That range is probably accurate. Probably, maybe.

 

[SandisLL]

No one knows. Ukraine denied involvement. It could be infernal beef as well- in Dugin's last telegram post he strongly advocated mobilization and criticized the Russian government's unwillingness to use their full force on Ukraine.

Then is clear why they deNazified this nazi female....

While....they are alrady using full force. Except nukes.
Yeah, rulers in Kremlin are against mobilisation for multiple reasons ppl can't admit.
However there doesn't looks for them big problem f.e to sent to Ukr front some 200 more Grad launchers and some 200-300 more Uragan launchers...+ some 100 ...203 mm self propelled gun...next batch with tanks etc...why not...

Btw Russia is accumulating equipment in Belarus and areas near Ukr during last 2 weeks...
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And Russia's military in general heavily sucks...
The same Pantsirj are highly touted and advertidsed & on paper are level above Tor pre 2014 th versions, level above Osa and Tunguska stuff....
Plus does carry usually 12 missiles unlike 8, 6 or even just 3...
& higher ceiling and longer range and faster...
+ 2 30 mm autocannons on the same truck where missilies are ...Should be level above Shilka 4x23 mm... & longer range and new...

It looks that Pantsirj sucks...
C-400 too appeared overrated....
Etc , etc...