International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

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Thing is literally every country pretty much is build on backs of those who stood their ground.If everyone runs then at some point there would not be any place to hide from violence.

So if ukrainians refused to go and jumped to poland, how long before rus would take shot at poland (Nato country but we are playing with logic that fighting and dying is dumb due to elites not doing it)
On this point, is there any information on how many draft age Ukrainians either skipped the country or didn't return when the war started? I know in Russia avoiding the draft is a favorite hobby for young men.
 
Well im not sure why you would hit a bus station or marketplace below on 13 of june (3 dead 18 injured)



Or this from 9 days ago residential areas hit woman dead plus 10 year old kid



Either way personally im not suprised knowing how both countries care about civvies (russia being russia and their disregard for human life and ukr shelling donetsk/lugansk for 8 years before invasion)

They probably had no idea what they were shelling. Russians are very liberal with their use of artillery
 
Country needs someone like you see. Cannon fodder send to be killed. Well I intend to live my life in every possible comfortable way since you only got one right. But what people like yourself can possibly know about it? All you know is to die for your country. Maybe joined them as merc? No matter to me which side

Oh Bella Russian? Well you better get ready son, you might be called up pretty soon should Putin wish so.
Oh look. Some edge lord read Slaughterhouse V :rolleyes:
 
They probably had no idea what they were shelling. Russians are very liberal with their use of artillery

IMHO they also does have huge stockpiles with old missiles and shells etc.
So might for example take 3 Thocka launchers and if 1 will work....already will be good for them.
Then threy might try missiles.
F.e take 3 missiles and if one will work...
Later will lurk where it had landed...

+ for these Grad and Uragan MRLS they really had damn huge stockiple with missiles produced 1975-1990...
+ launchers too.

There too might be the same usage variant...

Maybe they even at first are attempting to use older missiles from their stockpile?
I don't know....
 
Btw cos these pro Kremlin oriented ppl now are " fighting " in other threads by posting and crying about " waste of money and " support to UKR is bad and so on..." I will better post here.
Germany this week will approve next additional 2,4 bn budget expenses for help to refugees..
+ looks that private, casual ppl in Germany already had donated ~ 820 m...
 
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i see you're in the UAF

I am not. I am not CIA either, which by the way do not exist. NAFO however does!

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Oh no! Another one.

 
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Btw cos these pro Kremlin oriented ppl now are " fighting " in other threads by posting and crying about " waste of money and " support to UKR is bad and so on..." I will better post here.
Germany this week will approve next additional 2,4 bn budget expenses for help to refugees..
+ looks that private, casual ppl in Germany already had donated ~ 820 m...

You really have to stop thinking that people who aren't impressed by the economic ramifications of their countries decisions to be " pro Kremlin "

Were the people opposed to the Iraqi war pro Saddam?
 
You really have to stop thinking that people who aren't impressed by the economic ramifications of their countries decisions to be " pro Kremlin "

Were the people opposed to the Iraqi war pro Saddam?
lol just take a look in others threads about this topic. There are definitely a couple of posters who are pro Putin.
 
lol just take a look in others threads about this topic. There are definitely a couple of posters who are pro Putin.

There's one nutter whose obviously a troll with his God is punishing Ukraine stick. The vast majority of people that Sandi's calls paid posters or Kremlin supporters as evidenced by this thread are those who have different opinions on this war aren't " pro Kremlin " . I know this because he's constantly called me that lol

Its the good old story of the boy who cried wolf if there's numerous shrug
 
Ukraine is Russian. Even more so than Muscovy aka Russia. Not that they should be part of Muscovy/Russia like Austria and Germany there's centuries old political reasons they aren't together.

They only aren't Russian until it's time to do a stunt like cancelling Moscows charter, a city THEY founded. Then they're the OG Russians. Having a seperate identity because they were seperate for centuries and centuries doesn't mean they aren't Russian.

These areas being taken are largely pro Russian. That will change if they go much further West but if Ukraine was going to leave Russia's orbits and give the finger to Russia's attempts to make the country geopoltiically neutral why would Ukraine just let the whole country leave their orbit when the whole country didn't make that decision? Both the US and Russia have installed puppets but the reality is it was a near 50-50 split along strictly regional lines who won by 4-5 percent when adding up everything is largely irelevant to the dynamic.

Here's the 04 and 09 election results. Basically the Donbass and Lyviv areas(the far west of Ukraine which is the furthest removed from Russia historically and culturally) were 90-10 for the Russia and West backed candidates with most other regions only being slightly less polarized in the 70-90 percent range some 60 percents but not a lot less than that. Only the very center of the country was in the 50-60 range.

To put this in context the US is often cited as polarized(both parties are right wing but most left leaning people are trapped voting Dem) in 2020 there wasn't ONE state that gave 70 percent to one party and only a minority where one party got 70%. And there usually is either 1 or 2 small states tops. In 1984 when Reagan won 49 states he got 70 in 4 and 2 barely. "Blue or Red" state means a consistantly safe 50%. This is a different animal altogether.

Most of the territory Russia has taken or is threatening to take was in the 70-90 percent range. Does a mandate for a Russian puppet include supporting a Russian invasion? No, especially outside the Donbass where the war hasn't been ongoing since 2014. But there were extreme regional differences here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Ukrainian_presidential_election#/media/File:Вибори_2004.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election#/media/File:Другий_тур_2010_по_округах-en.png

Areas of Ukraine that have been enduring russification for centuries are *gasp* pro-russian?

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lol just take a look in others threads about this topic. There are definitely a couple of posters who are pro Putin.
There are.
Sadly combat sport fans usually aren't interested in history and if talk openly...in politics too...

Most awful thing with Russia is that Putin in no case is worst variant for West...
It is horrible but if Russia had been ruled by Navalny ....or Zirinovski or Morozov or Patrushev, Kadirov or someone else from xx other old crazy dudes in Kremlin....

Navalny ? Thanks to God he is in prison not Russia's president.
If he was ....we didn't had talked niw just about " expensive fuel and bad sanctions ".
He is thinking that even Berlin and East Germany + Czech Republic should be under Russia....it is reality....

In best case he might had for example just ordered to cease natural gas supplies in february! Yeah..
In worst case: already might had attempted to deNazify Berlin....

Zirinovski?
Now he is died but if he was a bit younger and had Putin's post...most likely he had ordered to drop nuke on the same Berlin and Kiev...
 
There are.
Sadly combat sport fans usually aren't interested in history and if talk openly...in politics too...

Most awful thing with Russia is that Putin in no case is worst variant for West...
It is horrible but if Russia had been ruled by Navalny ....or Zirinovski or Morozov or Patrushev, Kadirov or someone else from xx other old crazy dudes in Kremlin....

Navalny ? Thanks to God he is in prison not Russia's president.
If he was ....we didn't had talked niw just about " expensive fuel and bad sanctions ".
He is thinking that even Berlin and East Germany + Czech Republic should be under Russia....it is reality....

In best case he might had for example just ordered to cease natural gas supplies in february! Yeah..
In worst case: already might had attempted to deNazify Berlin....

Zirinovski?
Now he is died but if he was a bit younger and had Putin's post...most likely he had ordered to drop nuke on the same Berlin and Kiev...
Yeah I don’t understand the positivity with Navalny either. He’s just as crazy. But I guess being almost murderer by Putin makes you popular.
 
Areas of Ukraine that have been enduring russification for centuries are *gasp* pro-russian?

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? That's a odd statement when you consider the age of Ukraine as a nation.
 
please, inform us on the age of Ukraine.

You can google my friend. Let's not start pointing fingers at the actions of countries centuries ago..... because news flash.. a awful lot of nations and people have been displaced and taken over in the past couple of centuries.

Rusification oh no... it's not like a fuck tonne of countries were colonized over the past couple of centuries right? Or is that different to you ?

Or do you have a particular cut off date ?
 
You can google my friend. Let's not start pointing fingers at the actions of countries centuries ago..... because news flash.. a awful lot of nations and people have been displaced and taken over in the past couple of centuries.

Rusification oh no... it's not like a fuck tonne of countries were colonized over the past couple of centuries right? Or is that different to you ?

Or do you have a particular cut off date ?

that's a lot of running around to not answer a simple question. Please answer the question.
 
i've never even had an interaction with you. How old is Ukraine? you made a statement, back it up or run along.
More than 1200 years old.
Language too.
They are slavic and usually are orthodox christians.

While country wise they for sure does have more rights to have their own country than Luxembourg or Austria etc beauties...
If we will use to have your own language and culture as ground to have rights like; your country...
 
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