International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

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Over 100,000 Russians lost their jobs yesterday due to a car company 2 billion in sales and McDonalds closing 800 locations in the same day. Russia can takeover a plant but cannot replace the supply lines right away from vendors who are ending operation.
 
This is only beginning here.

I think nor Russia nor Ukraine nor U.S get what stuff EU is.
It is business entity.
Ukraine even maybe didn' t till today had get that nor NATO or EU interests are to accept them.
Everyone needs ukriane to be poor and working for cheap, Russia too, ofc there also for their cleptocracy elite.
Africa too needs ukrianians to be poor, middle east too.

Ofc Russia will not tell openly reality: we want to create country - puppet with our oligarchs businesses, milk you dry and grab everything in our hands...
They will tell about nazis ( to sell propaganda for guys like snubnoze here ) and other things, while irl they had gave 0 f*** about the same russian speakers.
They need them to yell when campaigns are done, excuses to be made but IRL they even doesn't care about homeless ppl number in Moscow, not alone some random ants aboard.
Ofc for political reasons they prefer to send guys not from Moscow but remote, poor 3 rd tier regions in russia to the same Ukraine to fight.
Like Kadirov too: better collect merchs in villages not in Grozny....
Ofc there also are very huge imperialistic ambitions about empire from Lisbon till Vladivostok.
 
Next stuff is EU.
It is better if you will look on EU as on giant size business corp [ it is ].
With the same Ukraine: in period when they had cheap labor force shortage, they were interested to get Ukraine in EU. When no....please sit in Ukraine, sell us cheap production and dream further... This is what this is. In best case maybe will to invest something....

Russia most likely till today didn't had get how brutal ( with soft measures ) europe might be and train ONLY had started to move a little bit.
Russia did all the best to achieve this : blocing exports from Ukraine....this is more motivation to punish Russia rather than to see xxxxx civilians died sonewhere.
Cold, hipocryte business doesn't care.
Next: filled EU with refugees.
Since EU does have refugee rights etc +....kids de facto does have 10X more rights than an adult....IRL not in loud talks....
They are angry.
Next: threats from Russia with nukes etc.
Blackmail about supplies from russia.

Sorry..... revenge mechanism, multiple faceted just started to move.
A lot of stuff here even if 0 sanctions ....will continue. Slowly.
 
PEB said:
Over 100,000 Russians lost their jobs yesterday due to a car company 2 billion in sales and McDonalds closing 800 locations in the same day. Russia can takeover a plant but cannot replace the supply lines right away from vendors who are ending operation.
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This just isn’t true. McDonalds is not closing - they are selling their operations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2022/5/16/mcdonalds-to-sell-its-business-in-russia

It’s the same with most of these stories. The company I work for is being separated off from the global corporate network, but it will continue in business in Russia under a different name. It has been widely reported that the company is shutting down its Russian operations, but that is factually incorrect.
 
PEB said:


Over 100,000 Russians lost their jobs yesterday due to a car company 2 billion in sales and McDonalds closing 800 locations in the same day. Russia can takeover a plant but cannot replace the supply lines right away from vendors who are ending operation.
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BUT THE RUBLE IS SO STRONG!!! /s
 
Boxiana said:
Are these unmanned?

If so, somehow even more terrifying.
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No these actually have a crew of 5 from what i can find
I think what you are referring to is this:
What Happened When Russia Tested Its Uran-9 Robot Tank in Syria?
Hint: It didn't go well.

by Sebastien Roblin
Here's What You Need to Know: Moscow's new tank was supposed to be a leap forward, but it has a lot of problems.

In May 2018, the Russian military revealed it had combat-tested its Uran-9 robot tank in Syria. The diminutive remote-control tank is noted for its formidable gun and missile armament.

However, just a month later Defense Blog reported that Senior Research Officer Andrei Anisimov told a conference at the Kuznetsov Naval Academy in St. Petersburg that the Uran-9’s performance in Syria revealed that “modern Russian combat Unmanned Ground Vehicles (UGVs) are not able to perform the assigned tasks in the classical types of combat operations.” He concluded it would be ten to fifteen more years before UGVs were ready for such complex tasks.

This stands in contrast to a source which told Jane’s that the system had “…demonstrated high performance in an operational environment.”

Robotic armored vehicles are in development across the world, with the U.S. Army planning for its Bradley fighting vehicle replacement to be “optionally-manned.” However, Russia arguably has more aggressively moved towards combat-deploying UGVs. In 2015 Russia’s Military Industry Committee announced its objective of deploying 30 percent of Russia’s kinetic weapons on remote-control platforms by 2025. Current projects include the MARS six-seat infantry carrier, the robotic BMP-3 Vihr (“Hurricane”) fighting vehicle, robotized T-72 tanks, and tiny Nerekhta UGVs that can evacuate wounded soldiers, fire a machine gun or kamikaze charge enemy positions.

The Russian Army reportedly procured twenty-two Uran-9s in 2016 from the JSC 766 UPTK company. The robo-tanks are apparently attached to support infantry and engineer units by engaging in reconnaissance and fire support missions, rather than being concentrated in independent maneuver formations. The Uran-9 is also being offered for export by the state-owned Rostec Corporation, and was photographed being inspected by General Min Aung Hlaing, commander of Myanmar’s armed forces.

The first UGVs were developed a century ago during World War I. By the 1930s the Soviet Union deployed two battalions of remote-controlled “Teletanks” armed with flamethrowers and demolition charges which saw action during the 1939-1940 invasion of Finland. Today, UGVs such as Russia’s Uran-6 have are being successfully employed to clear mines and IEDs in the Middle East and Central Asia. However, few UGVs have been operationally deployed for such complex tasks as detecting and engaging enemy forces.

The rhombus-shaped Uran-9 weighs twelve tons and measures five meters long, one-fifth the weight and just over half the length of a T-90 tank. A diesel engine allows the vehicle to accelerate to twenty-two miles per hour on highways, or six to fifteen mph off-road. The robot’s steel armor plates reportedly protect it from shell splinters and small-arms—though implicitly it may remain vulnerable to other relatively common weapons such as RPGs or heavy machine guns.

Two Uran-9s are transported to the battlefield by a large truck, and then radio-controlled by an operator and commander in an armored 6x6 Kamaz truck. Thermal and electro-optical sights and sensors mounted atop the turret allow the operators to “see” through the tank. There is also a hand-held control unit option.

A “Skynet” Unified Tactical Management system allows up to four Uran-9s to network together, either spread out up to four miles apart or strung together in a column formation. The robo-tanks do have some limited autonomous capabilities if they lose their signal—particularly for maneuvering around obstacles when moving along pre-programmed paths. Some sources claim the Uran-9 may also be able to detect, identify and engage enemy forces without manual human direction.

The robo-tank’s turret mounts a rapid-firing 2A72 30-millimeter autocannon that can blast light-armored vehicles and infantry to deadly effect, as well as a 7.62-millimeter machine gun. Furthermore, a firing rack can extend from the turret to launch two or four 9M120-1 Ataka anti-tank missiles which can spin away to bust tanks up to 3.7 miles away while guided by a laser. And top that off, a further six to twelve Shmel flamethrower rockets with air-combusting thermobaric warheads can be mounted on two rotating launchers on top of the turret to flush out entrenched infantry up to a mile away. If there’s a threat from low-flying aircraft, those rockets can be swapped out for Strela or Igla short-range anti-aircraft missiles.

You can see the Uran-9s moving about and shooting in one of several music videos.

However, all that impressive firepower is only useful if the Uran-9 and its operators can actually detect enemy forces and fire accurately at them—and that turned out to be a problem when field-tested in Syria.

To start with, according to Anisimov, they Uran-9’s thermal and electro-optical sensors proved incapable of spotting enemies beyond 1.25 miles—one-third of the 3.75-mile range in daytime or half that at night officially claimed. He also stated, “The OCH-4 optical station does not allow detecting optical observation and targeting devices of the enemy and gives out multiple interferences on the ground and in the airspace in the surveillance sector.”

Furthermore, the sensors, and the weapons they guided, were useless while the Uran-9 was moving due to a lack of stabilization. When fire commands were issued, on six occasions there were significant delays. In one case, the command simply didn’t go through.

The Uran-9’s tracked suspension also was reportedly frequently bedeviled by unreliable rollers and suspension springs, requiring frequent repairs that effectively limited the duration of any deployment.

Arguably most problematic of all, however, was the discovery that the remote-control system, which officially had a range of 1.8 miles, only proved effective up to 300 to 400 meters in a lightly urbanized environment. Over such short distances, the control vehicle is likely to become exposed to enemy fire.

Unlike high-flying drones, remote-controlled vehicles are susceptible to having their control signals disrupted by hills, buildings and other terrain features. During field-testing in Syria, this caused Uran-9s to suffer seventeen lapses of remote control lasting up to one minute, and two events in which they lost contact for as long as an hour-and-a-half.

The problem grows more acute when considering that modern war zones like Syria already experience extraordinary electromagnetic activity from communication signals and drone-links—as well as extensive jamming, spying and other forms of electronic warfare. The bandwidth consumed by the Uran-9s might not only limit how many can be deployed in a given sector but may make them a conspicuous target for hostile electronic attacks, despite manufacturer’s claims that the data-links are hardened against such interference.

According to Jane’s, Rostec is still working to improve the Uran-9’s range, response-time and data-bandwidth. During the huge Vostok 2018 military exercise, the robot-tanks were reportedly deployed to provide overwatch fire support for Uran-6 de-mining UGVs and combat engineers while they cleared simulated defensive obstacles.

Theoretically, the Uran-9 could be useful at reducing the risk of losing human lives in high-risk operations such as scouting out the location of concealed enemies or providing covering fire for assaults on well-defended positions. However, unless reliability can be improved and the “tether” distance between the robo-tanks and their command vehicles can be extended, the Uran-9s would be of limited military use except in static, set-piece scenarios.

In a sense, the underwhelming combat test in Syria highlights why robot tanks haven’t shown up on the battlefield sooner, despite the component technologies having been available for decades. Developing reliable long-distance communication links, sophisticated autonomous operation algorithms, and well-integrated sensors and targeting systems to allow a distant operator to identify and engage targets all pose significant practical challenges.

Thus, the Uran-9’s unflattering debut will serve as a valuable, if cautionary, learning experience for engineers working to perfect forthcoming robotic ground warfare systems.
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/r...sia-tested-its-uran-9-robot-tank-syria-182143
 
Boxiana said:
This just isn’t true. McDonalds is not closing - they are selling their operations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2022/5/16/mcdonalds-to-sell-its-business-in-russia

It’s the same with most of these stories. The company I work for is being separated off from the global corporate network, but it will continue in business in Russia under a different name. It has been widely reported that the company is shutting down its Russian operations, but that is factually incorrect.
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AFAIK donald due to business model alone can't close anything.
Their business model is to sell rights to use brand and some flowcharts how to operate business.
You have money, pay them, make contract and open " restaurant "...then you pay them payments for brand name usage, follow their guidelines.

However all they are able to do is....to remove brand name.
Okey, if Ivan had MC Donald ....now he might have Babushka No xxx brand......


Yeah, a lot of companies are doing separating stuff.
However this still negatively impacts ppl: businesses are using any excuse to reduce perssonel, bonuses etc: now this is " cos sanctions ".
Recently was " cos covid ".
 
Btw, recently get " good news ".
How hypocrite Ukraine is...
They are recieving money from EU, separately from EU countries too and....even private donations.

One company delivered them service ( civil stuff ) and they didn't had paid even 1 cent " cos war ".
Okey....we understand this.
Today their ukr comlany wants to get next service ( civil stuff ) done for them.
Again for free?
Businessman already had anyway paid salaries and tax for employees, etc, despite get 0 from this one ukr company!
Now they most likely imagine that everyone is stupid and their slave? To bear next losses and lay off ppl...get debts on neck " just cos this is ukr ? ".
 
GhostZ06 said:
https://defense-update.com/20040120_f-16i-details.html

Then again, the F-16i Soufa could have been loaded up with a jamming pod

i think its still a deadly system, we know its forcing aircraft in the Ukraine to fly low. You are not wrong about the ShitSir system




On paper this thing should be a beast at killing drones, Helos and low flying CAS aircraft.

West doesn't really have a system like this and the US military is looking for a mobile system like this now. We have....shorad which honestly is pretty....stupid...

We should have build a system from the ground up.
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Yeah but you aren't parking one of those things all alone on the battlefield. A truck like that needs to be positioned with supporting units so it's harder to hide something like that on the battlefield for long. Looks like they have something like a 20km range, which is well within artillery range. So with the support needed to safely run one of those trucks, you're probably better off just outfitting your unit with manpads and increasing mobility by a huge factor.

I just know I wouldn't want to be the dickhead driving that truck around. Proper SEAD missions are going to get you fucked quick.
 
So azovstal has finally surrendered

2500 pows including 404 wounded 55 severely. 804 pows from azov regiment others from marines, cops, sbu ,uaf etc and 200 corpses in refrigenator

(Numbers might be wrong since who knows in the end)
 
Cole train said:
So azovstal has finally surrendered

2500 pows including 404 wounded 55 severely. 804 pows from azov regiment others from marines, cops, sbu ,uaf etc and 200 corpses in refrigenator

(Numbers might be wrong since who knows in the end)
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Ohh, you get this...guess from Russian media?

Actually, despite all media talks NO ONE EVER cared about ppl in Mariupol.
Nor Zelenski, nor EU nor Russia.

All this stuff about Nazi is propaganda for guy like you.....
All this patriotism propaganda from Ukraine and Russia is designed for mainstream ants ....to brainwash.

Ukraine allowed ( yeah ) Russian forces easily to reach Mariupol city....
EASILY!

After this....
Yeah, ants ( you guy will claim that all they are nazis, no one will care what you will think, sorry ) did their task.
Ant is spare material....

Zelensky was more interested ensure smoothly functioning of natural gas pipelines to deliver Russian gas till Hungary....
Ha ha ha...
 
Cole train said:
So azovstal has finally surrendered

2500 pows including 404 wounded 55 severely. 804 pows from azov regiment others from marines, cops, sbu ,uaf etc and 200 corpses in refrigenator

(Numbers might be wrong since who knows in the end)
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Can't find much info yet. Pretty low casualties all things considering.
 
Boxiana said:
Are these unmanned?

If so, somehow even more terrifying.
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Well we have seen how Russian tanks performed I doubt they will do much better if not worse due to needing support to operate them. It's like Russia using as a chance to show off their technology. Seen enough of these things to know that they are not as impressive as people make them out to be. They will more likely be terminated by a Javelin.

 
Yotsuya said:
How is this so hard to understand? This is like showing all the goals an Olympics hockey player has scored agains Russian team and arguing that he's a Russophobe. Opposing budgetary increases is what Rand Paul does. It has always been his thing. He's famous for it. Here's the presidential campaign add by his father who's work Rand consistently continues:


Even if you mean well, ignoring realities and spreading disinformation is not the way to go about it.
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We have a nation fighting for its very sovereignty against an invader. Rand Paul opposes aid for them because.... Budget?

His vote for tax cuts to the 1% added 1 trillion to the deficit and told 9/11 victims to kick rocks. But now, he screams budget?

Yeah, ok.
 
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