Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Denter]

Thankfully, he made claims beyond media hypocrisy, specifically that people who supported Spencer being assaulted are being hypocritical by thinking the Azov battalion are more justified than not given that Ukraine is being invaded, and that the West has more powerful propaganda than Russia. And, media hypocrisy is not an interesting subject, but you're more than happy to support comments about it with likes?

Yes, I liked the comment, because it was funny.

 

[BIKES!]

Well yeah... If our enemies joined forces with Mexico and Canada and started building military bases by the border do you think we would sit there and do nothing? Finland and Sweden joining NATO is fucking stupid and illustrates the reason Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place. We need to think logically and not emotionally. Russia is being pushed into a corner.

 

[Denter]

I think one thing we can say is a casualty of the invasion of Ukraine is any sort of left-wing government in the Ukrainian state for the foreseeable future. Not only were the left wing parties banned (the Communist Party was banned earlier in 2015) after this war began, a prominent negotiator who went to Belarus was publicly murdered for treason. Many dissidents have been rounded up and jailed, or worse. Control over local media and opposition parties has been firmly established. Ukraine now seems likely to survive this war, and even to do so with no territorial concessions. This result will surely bolster the nationalists.

Do we think that this nationalism will last? And will it be put to good use developing the country and solving its problems, or will we see more of the same corruption and graft, with most of the rebuilding funds going being siphoned away?

 

[Videer]

No, speeding over a minefield wont work for you just like it did not work for that smoldering wreck that came before.



Russian Mi-28, tail RF-13628 shot down near Kharkiv.

 

[Rholk]

Well yeah... If our enemies joined forces with Mexico and Canada and started building military bases by the border do you think we would sit there and do nothing? Finland and Sweden joining NATO is fucking stupid and illustrates the reason Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place. We need to think logically and not emotionally. Russia is being pushed into a corner.

Well if the US was invading part of Mexico to annex it because it wanted more influence, then yeah, Canada and Mexico would probably be wise to start building bases near the border.
Fucking bullshit excuse, these countries are willingly joining NATO because Russia keeps harrassing and invading nations around it when it doesn't get what it wants.
And then they act like they don't know why countries seek protection from them.
If you want more influence in a region in the modern world you'll have to (economically) compete for it.

 

[Rholk]

No, speeding over a minefield wont work for you just like it did not work for that smoldering wreck that came before.

Like what the fuck would the logic behind that be
"-whoah the dude in front of us got blown up by the minefield"
"-Yeah but what if we drive really fast"

 

[SummerStriker]

Okay guys, gonna give you a russian perspective from one of their telegrams:

Front summary.

Kharkov direction.
The enemy continues to try to completely push the Russian Armed Forces and parts of the LPR reservists beyond the border line northwest of the city. In some places (between Kazachya Lopan and Volchansky, about a point - exclusively) the enemy has reached the border line and the front passes directly along it (approximately). Over the past day, the situation has not changed fundamentally.

South of Izyum. - After a long and bloody meat grinder, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation completely took the ruins of the village of Dolgenkoe. Fighting in the area around this settlement. continue. The enemy is actively counterattacking.
Fierce battles also continued in the area of the city of Liman (Krasny Liman), during which, in a few days, our troops advanced and liberated several settlements to the west and northwest. However, the city itself and its environs are stubbornly defended by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Severodonetsk-Lysichansk area.
As I expected, the enemy does not intend to surrender these cities without a long battle, even under the threat of encirclement. Which, however, is still far away. Stubborn fighting continues in the area north of Popasnaya with heavy losses on both sides.

There are no significant changes in the front in the Gorlovka area.

In the Donetsk area, our troops - personnel units of the DPR Armed Forces - yesterday attacked the outskirts of Staromikhaylovka (a suburb of Donetsk between Donetsk itself and Krasnogorovka) and are now conducting heavy bloody battles in this village. The situation in Maryinka is still not clear to me.

There are no changes in the front in the Ugledar region - the city itself has been turned into another "fortress" and is ready for a long defense.

I have very little information on the Zaporizhzhya, Krivoy Rog and Nikolaev fronts. In general, as far as I can judge, the position of the parties has not changed significantly, although in the past few days the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to slightly push our troops in places.

General conclusion:
I must state with regret that the operation to defeat the enemy's Donetsk grouping, widely advertised in late April-early May, FAIL. For more than two weeks of fierce fighting (which cost both sides very heavy losses), only tactical successes were achieved. Not a single large settlement was liberated (the exception is the city of Rubezhnoye, but the battles for it began before the offensive began). Probably, certain tactical successes will still be achieved before the moment when the enemy goes over to the counteroffensive. But it is already clear that Donbass will not be fully liberated before the beginning of summer. Probably, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not even be thrown back from the suburbs of Donetsk.
And I cannot say that this result is unexpected for me. Vice versa. The art of war requires its adherents to strike where the enemy least expects them. In our case, the intention of the Russian command was so obvious, the terrain was so beneficial for the defending side, and the balance of forces was almost equal on both sides, that only ... our General Staff could count on decisive success.
At the moment, our troops are drawn into exhausting offensive battles, continuing (as I have already noted) "to play by the rules proposed by the enemy." And the point is not only and not so much in individual examples of "outstanding bungling" (such as forcing S. Donets), but in the fact that losses incurred in daily offensive battles (not ending in the defeat of the enemy) cannot be quickly compensated by trained replacements. While the enemy continues to frantically prepare its strategic reserves. And where he will deliver his blows, when our troops will finally "run out of steam" - no one knows (although this can also be predicted, but I will not do this publicly ... until I do).

Pretty cool. What is the source?

 

[Strychnine]

Going to lock this thread and start up a new one with links to it.

 

[b34stmode]

Well yeah... If our enemies joined forces with Mexico and Canada and started building military bases by the border do you think we would sit there and do nothing? Finland and Sweden joining NATO is fucking stupid and illustrates the reason Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place. We need to think logically and not emotionally. Russia is being pushed into a corner.

How is it "fucking stupid" for them to join NATO? In fact, this is exactly why they are joining NATO in the first place. What is the alternatives here? If Russia was so worried about NATO, they should have solved this issue diplomatically, but they refuse to even entertain real talks. And who said NATO is going to build bases in Finland?

Russia's rhetoric is getting extremely old as well. We can't let a Nation with a leader like this continue to exist, its that simple. Which is exactly why we are doing what we are doing, by weakening Russia as much as possible without a direct conflict. Russia isn't going to use nukes, they can't. I would be willing to bet money China has told them as much behind close doors.

Lets hope the coup story is in fact real and there is some type of plan underway as we speak to take Putin out. I'm guessing as soon as Poots is out of the story there will be multiple power grabs and Russia will splinter into many smaller Country's. Lets also hope the US is currently trying to align with some of the people who will benefit/ take over from the vacuum when Poots is gone.

 

[Strychnine]

New thread here...

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