Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Deleted member 585708]

100% this. I'd assume most soldiers care About their lives and the lives of their fellow soldiers

When I hit post, I figured a legit armed forces person would come up and say "but if you're not aggressive, you're not defending" or something along those lines, and I guess that would ring true, if you didn't want to inflict damage you might actually not be defending yourself properly... but I think looking after yourself and your squad is more important than who you kill, right?

 

[San Marino]

I don't get this argument, San Marino.
If I was a soldier in a warzone, I wouldn't care if I cared about the war or not, I'd care about getting out alive.
I'd care about my regiment getting out alive, and I'd care enough about living to do everything I possibly could to ensure I kept on living.
We know Ukrainians will annihilate Russian invaders, so if I was an invader, I wouldn't be half-assing it just because 'they're my brothers'.
No, I wouldn't commit an atrocity, I wouldn't shoot people for no reason, but I do accept the point that motivation is still a factor... weird, considering life and death is literally the only motivation needed.

You have never served in an Infantry unit have you?
Mission first, soldiers second. Soldiers do want to know what they are fighting and dying for. They want the cause to be just.
Yeah, we all want to get out of it alive, but we also know the risks. We work as a team and place our lives on each other's hand.
Many of us made it back from Iraq and Afghanistan because of the sacrifice someone else made.
For that individual it was not about the mission but his fellow soldiers/Marines.
All that 'flashy' gear is nice to have, but it does not compensate for the will to fight.
Look at what happened to the Afghan Army after we Americans left the country.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

You have never served in an Infantry unit have you?
Mission first, soldiers second. Soldiers do want to know what they are fighting and dying for. They want the cause to be just.
Yeah, we all want to get out of it alive, but we also know the risks. We work as a team and place our lives on each other's hand.
Many of us made it back from Iraq and Afghanistan because of the sacrifice someone else did.
For that individual it was not about the mission but his fellow soldiers/Marines.
All that 'flashy' gear is nice to have, but it does not compensate for the will to fight.
Look at what happened to the Afghan Army after we Americans left the country.

I was certain I'd pointed out that I was never in any kind of military.

No, I have no military experience whatsoever. I've never claimed otherwise, ever, at any point in my life.

I won't now, either.

 

[Strychnine]

A Russian soldier said he will quit the army because there is no point in fighting in Ukraine: report


"A Russian soldier told The Guardian he will quit the army because there is no point in fighting in Ukraine.

The soldier, identified only as Dmitri, is a member of a unit currently stationed in Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, The Guardian reported.

He was transferred to the city after he and eight other soldiers in his battalion refused to continue fighting in Ukraine. It is unclear where exactly in Ukraine he fought.

"I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June," Dmitri told The Guardian. "I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here."

"I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren't officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go," he added.

Dmitri also told The Guardian that he didn't want to continue fighting in Ukraine because he wanted to return to his family alive, rather than "in a casket."

"Many of us simply did not want to go back," he added."
A Russian soldier said he will quit the army because there is no point in fighting in Ukraine: report (msn.com)

 

[Deleted member 585708]

A Russian soldier said he will quit the army because there is no point in fighting in Ukraine: report


"A Russian soldier told The Guardian he will quit the army because there is no point in fighting in Ukraine.

The soldier, identified only as Dmitri, is a member of a unit currently stationed in Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, The Guardian reported.

He was transferred to the city after he and eight other soldiers in his battalion refused to continue fighting in Ukraine. It is unclear where exactly in Ukraine he fought.

"I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June," Dmitri told The Guardian. "I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here."

"I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren't officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go," he added.

Dmitri also told The Guardian that he didn't want to continue fighting in Ukraine because he wanted to return to his family alive, rather than "in a casket."

"Many of us simply did not want to go back," he added."
A Russian soldier said he will quit the army because there is no point in fighting in Ukraine: report (msn.com)

So one of the reasons Putin couldn't authorise 'full mobilisation' is just this reason - Russia have not said they are officially 'at war', so he can't.

His stupid half-measures war and posturing will be the end of him.

Unfortunately, though, his stupid half-measures war and posturing has been the end of tens of thousands of good people.

 

[San Marino]

I was certain I'd pointed out that I was never in any kind of military.
No, I have no military experience whatsoever. I've never claimed otherwise, ever, at any point in my life. I won't now, either.

I understand. Appreciate the honesty. Different lives, different experiences.
I spent 20 years in the US Army, not all of it in the Infantry. @Strychnine spent I believe 23 years in the US Air Force. I think we both have a different view of war from those that were not involved. There are a few other posters in here who have also served in the US military. It is nice to have that experience behind you now. Not all of it was good. I always feel sorry for the civilians that get caught in the crossfire of the conflict. Feel free to PM me with any additional questions.

 

[JbModest]

My social economic background? What exactly does that mean? Is that a hidden racial connotation? Does @Strychnine need to get involved for a possible 'yellow?' What does my socio-economic background have to do with anything?

Well, let's look at your spelling mate:
. realize, not realise
. apologize, not apologise
. improve, not imrpove
Maybe you should look up your tutor in Oxford, your English sucks.

Unless I'm mistaken, Commonwealth countries have slightly different spelling than America does. Using s instead of z sometimes. Theatre instead of theater etc.

 

[Anewt]

Unless I'm mistaken, Commonwealth countries have slightly different spelling than America does. Using s instead of z sometimes. Theatre instead of theater etc.

100 % Correct. Same with colour , mum etc etc. Countless variations of spelling between us English and British English

 

[Strychnine]

I understand. Appreciate the honesty. Different lives, different experiences.
I spent 20 years in the US Army, not all of it in the Infantry. @Strychnine spent I believe 23 years in the US Air Force. I think we both have a different view of war from those that were not involved. There are a few other posters in here who have also served in the US military. It is nice to have that experience behind you now. Not all of it was good. I always feel sorry for the civilians that get caught in the crossfire of the conflict. Feel free to PM me with any additional questions.

Seconded.

 

[San Marino]

Unless I'm mistaken, Commonwealth countries have slightly different spelling than America does. Using s instead of z sometimes. Theatre instead of theater etc.

Indeed they do.
The one that always gets me is color and colour.
The Sherdog spellcheck picks up on a lot of these words.
We Americans should also give up on the imperial system and switch to the metric system. Distance, temperature, and weight.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I understand. Appreciate the honesty. Different lives, different experiences.
I spent 20 years in the US Army, not all of it in the Infantry. @Strychnine spent I believe 23 years in the US Air Force. I think we both have a different view of war from those that were not involved. There are a few other posters in here who have also served in the US military. It is nice to have that experience behind you now. Not all of it was good. I always feel sorry for the civilians that get caught in the crossfire of the conflict. Feel free to PM me with any additional questions.

Thanks, appreciate that.

I didn't have any more likes, trivial as it is, hence the reply

 

[San Marino]

@Siver!

 

[San Marino]

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[shinkyoku]

How fucking idiotic is this? Does he not notice our policy is an has shifted to counter china? Why the fuck would be invade fucking Russia ?

he has to say SOMETHING. it doers not really matter if it is obvious complete BS if noone is allowed to question it

 

[ShtickandMove]

Fake war. Fake everything on TV.

 

[shinkyoku]

Unless I'm mistaken, Commonwealth countries have slightly different spelling than America does. Using s instead of z sometimes. Theatre instead of theater etc.

https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/differences-in-british-and-american-spelling/
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/british-and-american-english

 

[KaNesDeath]

I assume the Russian people need to be assured that Russia is under threat because that “proves” that Russia is worthy of being a threat, and is thus a powerful nation of global consequence, and will be into the future.

The transition to a democratic lifestyle didnt have time to build in Russia post-USSR. Its people were kept in a mindset of state power on the global stage is worth their hardships.

 

[KnightTemplar]

So one of the reasons Putin couldn't authorise 'full mobilisation' is just this reason - Russia have not said they are officially 'at war', so he can't.

His stupid half-measures war and posturing will be the end of him.

Unfortunately, though, his stupid half-measures war and posturing has been the end of tens of thousands of good people.

And of he did declare war and order a full mobilisation, a lot of Russians would simple refuse to turn up. National service in Russia used to be two years. It was cut to a single year because, even in peacetime, it was deeply unpopular and many Russians wouldn't turn up at the training depots.

 

[Denter]

And of he did declare war and order a full mobilisation, a lot of Russians would simple refuse to turn up. National service in Russia used to be two years. It was cut to a single year because, even in peacetime, it was deeply unpopular and many Russians wouldn't turn up at the training depots.

I've read that this is also true about Ukraine, another deeply corrupt state. They say after 2014 happened something like 90% of those on the rolls did not show up and complete reservist training. This lead to reliance on ideological formations to fill the gap, which we've been hearing a lot about.

 

[Yotsuya]

Oh this guy is against suppporting ukraine? No kidding?

Bless Ron Paul but neither him nor Rand never had any interest in the outside world and it sure shows!