Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Tayski]

The Ruble is going up exponentially because of 'success', so what's the issue?

If you purchase your Rubles now, you'll only benefit going forward, because it's doing so well?

Why would you equate that with something horrible like a cheating wife?

Who said it's going up "exponentially"?

You seem a little salty and butthurt that the Russian currency and economy isn't doing as bad as what your leaders preached.

It's quite fascinating that you can't even admit something as factual as numbers. I guess we shall all pretend those sanctions really paid off and the Russian economy and currency is going down the drain, because our Western media wants us to believe so.

 

[Tayski]

The currency isn't "doing bad" the currency ceased to exist, the ruble isn't a currency anymore, there are no FOREX exchanges anymore there is no place where you can buy or sell rubles, all the trade is being carried out by Russia who forces companies inside Russia to sell their hard currency at a fixed price set by the Russian government and they can't buy back USD.

Basically the Russian ruble as a currency is gone, there is no point in arguing about the "market price" of a currency that evaporated from the markets in the first place.

The original point was that the sanctions are not really affecting the Russian economy the way the West wishes it would. Europe is still buying their petrol and gas from Russia and even if they stopped doing so in the near future by implementing more nuclear plants and so on (which will take years) then Russia will simply turn to Asia as a buyer; notably China and India.

So yeah we can all pretend those sanctions are doing great, but reality is the Russian economy hasn't really been impacted by the war or the sanctions so far, and the West is financing the war in Ukraine by buying resources directly from Russia, like it or not.

 

[Tayski]

ya you honestly do not understand how currency works.

If there is no market where you can buy and sell or exchange your currency then it has no value.

You can draw a picture right now and just say it is worth a million dollars and never trade or sell it and die stating it is worth a million but if the only price you can get to steel or trade it is $1 then it is worth $1.

If you were correct, yes you should buy rubles as should other high risk currency buyers.

Regardless, it's quite clear that the "sanctions" put in place by the West on Russia have been rather ineffective when it comes to shutting down its economy.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Who said it's going up "exponentially"?

You seem a little salty and butthurt that the Russian currency and economy isn't doing as bad as what your leaders preached.

It's quite fascinating that you can't even admit something as factual as numbers. I guess we shall all pretend those sanctions really paid off and the Russian economy and currency is going down the drain, because our Western media wants us to believe so.

It's not factual, and I couldn't give a shit whether the Russian people are living in poverty or palaces to be honest. It's not my concern.

But it's pretty plain that the Ruble is being propped up by inactivity, the fact you can't sell the Ruble, a ridiculous interest rate, and anyone (like you) failing to acknowledge those facts and just saying it's doing okay is disingenuous.

You know you're telling a mistruth, but here you are, with your mistruth.

 

[Tayski]

These couple of posters don't want to hear it, they just want to pretend the sanctions aren't working for some reason.

But if the sanctions weren't working, they'd still be trading and they wouldn't have a 20 % interest rate (an all time high).

It's weird having discussions with posters that are aware of those facts, but still act like they've no idea how the Ruble is doing 'so well'.

Standard denialism.

Having said that, you forget to mention that the inflation isn't just in Russia but in the West too:

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Now who's in denial?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Having said that, you forget to mention that the inflation isn't just in Russia but in the West too:

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Now who's in denial?

Nobody is mentioning inflation, dumb dumb.

Inflation =/= interest rates.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Having said that, you forget to mention that the inflation isn't just in Russia but in the West too:

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Now who's in denial?

You know, I think you might just be so financially incompetent that you have absolutely no idea, and are genuinely taking the 'strength' of the Ruble on face value.

In which case, I'm gonna apologise to you, because I assumed you had a clue what you were talking about.

You obviously don't.

 

[Mark McMichael]

Regardless, it's quite clear that the "sanctions" put in place by the West on Russia have been rather ineffective when it comes to shutting down its economy.

I disagree. We see all sorts of video's of store shelves bare and people fighting over basics.

Russia relies on parts for almost all of their manufacturing sector from the EU and US and cannot restock them so vehicles that need maintenance go unrepaired. It is even hitting what military equipment they can put in the field against Ukraine.

This even as they are still getting significant cash for O&G and crops. BUt those avenues are being choked as well.

So not sure why you are saying they are ineffective? Is it because they did not entirely shut Russia down instantly?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I disagree. We see all sorts of video's of store shelves bare and people fighting over basics.

Russia relies on parts for almost all of their manufacturing sector from the EU and US and cannot restock them so vehicles that need maintenance go unrepaired. It is even hitting what military equipment they can put in the field against Ukraine.

This even as they are still getting significant cash for O&G and crops. BUt those avenues are being choked as well.

So not sure why you are saying they are ineffective? Is it because they did not entirely shut Russia down instantly?

He hasn't got the first clue, he's just grasping at straws.

No sense arguing, TBH.

 

[Tayski]

Nobody is mentioning inflation, dumb dumb.

Inflation =/= interest rates.

We're talking about sanctions and economy, you're avoiding the main point which is that the sanctions aren't as impactful as your preachers said they would be. You can't be telling me the sanctions against Russia are really working with a straight face mate, come on.

 

[Anewt]

I disagree. We see all sorts of video's of store shelves bare and people fighting over basics.

Russia relies on parts for almost all of their manufacturing sector from the EU and US and cannot restock them so vehicles that need maintenance go unrepaired. It is even hitting what military equipment they can put in the field against Ukraine.

This even as they are still getting significant cash for O&G and crops. BUt those avenues are being choked as well.

So not sure why you are saying they are ineffective? Is it because they did not entirely shut Russia down instantly?

Haven't seen people fighting for basics since the great toilet paper shortage of 21.

Where you seeing these?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

We're talking about sanctions and economy, you're avoiding the main point which is that the sanctions aren't as impactful as your preachers said they would be. You can't be telling me the sanctions against Russia are really working with a straight face mate, come on.

ALL TIME HIGH INTEREST RATE.

NOT ALLOWED TO SELL THE RUBLE.

MINIMAL TRADING OF STOCKS.

Yeah, that's normal.

No evidence sanctions are working.

Like I say, there's no point having this conversation, you aren't able to understand that the Ruble is not even trading - the value is not real, it isn't being tested.

 

[Tayski]

He hasn't got the first clue, he's just grasping at straws.

No sense arguing, TBH.

I'll make it very simple and easy for you as you think it's grasping at straws. Sanctions against Russia aren't as effective as people make them out to be and Russia isn't going through an economical crisis, unlike what was announced in Western media.

Now let me know when you have some real arguments about that.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Haven't seen people fighting for basics since the great toilet paper shortage of 21.

Where you seeing these?

Hahaha, we had the toilet paper shortage here too.

Despite a lack of a shortage of toilet paper <45>

 

[cabal]

Putin has pretty serious health issues saw his gate when walking to the viewing stand and a recent photo show obvious signs of makeup to cover red blotches on his face possibly going throw first stages of cancer treatments. He also for the first time missed a hockey game that he used to participate in and may explain his efforts in Ukraine.

He also looks like he has Parkinson's or the shake is caused by the treatments for cancer.

Even if it possible that he is sick and possibly dying they simply would put another shitface in his place, even madder and more criminal. An humanist premier that try to build relationships with other nation without violence and blackmails is impossibile in America, in Russia is totally inconceivable.

 

[Tayski]

ALL TIME HIGH INTEREST RATE.

NOT ALLOWED TO SELL THE RUBLE.

MINIMAL TRADING OF STOCKS.

Yeah, that's normal.

No evidence sanctions are working.

Like I say, there's no point having this conversation, you aren't able to understand that the Ruble is not even trading - the value is not real, it isn't being tested.

It's going back down, what are you even talking about?

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/interest-rate

 

[Deleted member 585708]

It's going back down, what are you even talking about?

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/interest-rate

You're going on ignore.

Please stop talking about economics.

 

[Tayski]

You're going on ignore.

Please stop talking about economics.

Someone's in denial.

"ALL TIME HIGH INTEREST RATE." he says, while showing him that it's not since nearly 2 weeks lol.

 

[San Marino]

...man!
These petty arguments really suck.

 

[San Marino]

Putin appears committed to long-lasting war, as Ukraine also digs in (msn.com)
"Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines said Tuesday that Putin was ready for a 'prolonged conflict' in Ukraine that would stretch well beyond the eastern Donbas region, where Russia’s advances have stalled in recent weeks."

* Not sure how Russia is going to keep this war going without a full mobilization.