Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[GhostZ06]

"we never wanted Ukraine, just Donbas region"

Did they say that from the toilet??

 

[scoopj]

whenever people start musing somewhere on the internet on Putin's inner desires of recreating the USSR or fear mongering about taking the whole of Europe this video should automatically be posted by a bot

Really good video thanks.

 

[curryjunkie]

Well the criticism was levied against Hollywood. So that doesn't really factor.

As far as Hollywood WW2 films are concerned, Enemy at the Gates is clearly one of the best.

Incredible sets and special effects. Likeable characters acted well by good actors. Good story and pacing.

Historical accuracy and propaganda aren't really a factor.

Does Putin really expect Hollywood to put our Russocentric propaganda for him for free?

i remember rachael weisz's ass

 

[curryjunkie]

This one is the toughest to watch, but truly a masterpiece. Hollywood simply couldn't make something like this, watch it if you haven't already. By far the best WW2 movie ever made. "Come and see", directed by Elem Klimov.

yep, that and das boot

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Putin has 'started civil war'.

Former Russian MP and Duma member Ilya Ponomarev believes Putin "will [not only] not be in the Kremlin, he will not be alive next year".

He predicts civil war after this Imperialist war, I guess he's citing VI Lenin (https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/themilitant/socialist-appeal-1939/v03n21/lenin.htm)

He then lists likely successors.

 

[Captain Herb]

Why Putin got it so wrong:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/24/putin-misjudged-west-ukraine-timothy-snyder/


Why did Putin get this so wrong? For an answer, I reached out to Timothy Snyder, who has written numerous books about Russia, Ukraine and the region. An edited and condensed version of our exchange follows.

Greg Sargent: What is it about Putin’s way of seeing the world, and his understanding of his own mythologies, that made it inevitable that he’d underestimate the Western response?

Timothy Snyder: For me the most revealing text here is the victory declaration, which the Russian press agency accidentally published on Feb. 26. What they say is that the West just basically needed one more push to fall into total disarray.

If you watch Jan. 6 clips over and over again, you can get that impression. The Russians really have been fixated on Jan. 6.


They thought a successful military operation in Ukraine would be that nudge: We’d feel helpless, we’d fall into conflict, it would help [Donald] Trump in the U.S., it would help populists around the world.


Sargent: When you say Russia has been making a lot of Jan. 6 — what do they read into it?


Snyder: Number one, they use it to mock us by saying, “These are just peaceful protesters.” Number two, they use it for one of their favorite arguments, which is that democracy is a joke everywhere.

But the deeper point is that Trump’s attempt to overthrow the election on Jan. 6 made the American system look fragile. They think, “One more Trump and the Americans are done.” In invading Ukraine, they think they’re putting huge pressure on the Biden administration. They’re going to make Biden look weak.


That probably was their deep fantasy about the West: Successful military occupation in Ukraine; the Biden administration is totally impotent; we humiliate them; Trump comes back; this is a big strategic victory for us.

...

 

[San Marino]

Why Putin got it so wrong.

. Why Hitler got it so wrong.
. Why Biden got it so wrong in Afghanistan.
. Why the US got it so wrong in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

 

[Yotsuya]

You came in late to threads

From average russian point of view like dex said in early threads, you could justify invasion by the fact that ukr had been shelling donbass civilians for 8 years

I'm sure I've missed a ton he's said, but that does not make the denazification stuff I've seen from him and ignoring realities any more reasonable. Also, baiting for conflict and making Russians suffer is classic Russian tactic to justify escalation. If you read the history of Donbass it's pretty clear that Russia has been more the blame on breaking Minsk Ceasefire agreements.

 

[Strychnine]

Russian steel giant on brink of debt default as sanctions hammer Moscow

"A major Russian steel company is on the verge of default after Citigroup froze its debt payment.

Severstal, the third-largest steel producer in Europe, was unable to fulfill a $12.6 million bond payment within a five-day grace period – despite having the funds to do so.

In a statement posted to the London Stock Exchange's website, Severstal said that Citigroup, acting as a correspondent bank of the loan issuer, has blocked the payment due to "regulatory investigations."

Russian steel giant on brink of debt default as sanctions hammer Moscow (msn.com)

 

[Strychnine]

Marines Barred From Traveling to Ukraine as Americans Try to Join Fight

"The U.S. Marine Corps issued an order through its Marine administrative message service stating that its personnel are prohibited from traveling to Ukraine and the neighboring countries of Belarus and Moldova. This appears to be the first order of its kind by a U.S. military branch amid Russia's ongoing war against Ukraine.

Captain Ryan Bruce, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps, confirmed to Newsweek that the new order applies to all Marines, including its reservists. A later statement provided by Marine Corps Spokesperson Major Jim Stenger said the goal of this order was to communicate the State Department's March 8 message directly to Marines."

Marines Barred From Traveling to Ukraine as Americans Try to Join Fight (msn.com)

 

[Dexter]

You came in late to threads

From average russian point of view like dex said in early threads, you could justify invasion by the fact that ukr had been shelling donbass civilians for 8 years

It's over-simplification, actually.

Average Russians are like:

During Maidan events in 2014, western-backed neo-nazi junta had overthrown the lawfully elected president (him being a known arse) against the Ukrainian Constituion.

Sniper fire "puzzle":



"Mysterious" snipers coming out of the building:



Maidan events were pretty anti-Russian in itself, for some reason, with all that "they who don't jump are Moskals (Russians)", "hang the Moskals" and etc. mottos





Later, fire processions with well-known collaborant and nazi-supporter Stepan Bandera portraits and all other stuff:



So, back to Donbas. It's clear that separatist movement started by itself but was later supported\guided by Russia with "volunteers", volunteers, armaments and equipment. It's a known fact, with the full support of Russian citisens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzqF99u6Qk8

Summarizing, from an average Russian point of view, Ukrainian anti-terrorism operation, started in 2014 in Donbas area, and terrorising Donbas civilians for 8 years, just turned 180 degrees on February, 24 and came to Ukraine instead. Why? Because Kiev authorities declined Minsk Agreements and contniued to shell Donbas further, with no fucks given.

I'm sure I've missed a ton he's said, but that does not make the denazification stuff I've seen from him and ignoring realities any more reasonable. Also, baiting for conflict and making Russians suffer is classic Russian tactic to justify escalation. If you read the history of Donbass it's pretty clear that Russia has been more the blame on breaking Minsk Ceasefire agreements.

Mate, I literally stated in one of my earlier posts that de-nazification card is the weakest of our "reasons for this "special military operation" <Lmaoo>.

 

[San Marino]

. Humane Society International (hsi.org)
Support our Animal Rescue Fund:
"HSI is providing necessary support, including emergency funds, to groups that are helping the Ukrainian people and the animals in their care who have been devastated by Russia’s military invasion. You can join us by rushing a gift to our emergency response for Ukraine and other rescue and relief efforts here."

 

[Bald1]

It wasn't constant lying per se , it was surviving in that system.

It was really wild thing, hard to imagine for 1rst worlders.

Lol. The west is getting a mild version of that lesson in how it works from a social political perspective. Keep your mouth shut and pretend to agree with idiocy unless you want to lose your job and be ostracized. The consequences aren't as harsh but the mechanism is the same. Whether it's religion, state sanctioned dogma or woke Nazis, a theocracy is a theocracy is a theocracy. And you best toe the line or become outcast.

Same shit if just a smaller pile.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

This has been hugely embarrassing for Russia.

 

[Da Speeit]

Dude, they suck at conventional warfare. I don't think we need any more proof of that. You want them to light Ukraine up with nukes? That wouldn't be so smart either.

They have planes, drones, sea-to-air/land capabilities that have barely been used if at all

 

[Yotsuya]

Mate, I literally stated in one of my earlier posts that de-nazification card is the weakest of our "reasons for this "special military operation" <Lmaoo>.

And still you hold on to it like mad refusing to address the issues when I pointed out your bullshit.

 

[Yotsuya]

You came in late to threads

From average russian point of view like dex said in early threads, you could justify invasion by the fact that ukr had been shelling donbass civilians for 8 years

Sorry, Friday night. I might have misread you here.

 

[Da Speeit]

Turning from Fonz into Potsie.
Such a shame...

Ayyyyeee

 

[PEB]

Military experts say more then 40 percent of Russian missiles have failed to operate.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

They have planes, drones, sea-to-air/land capabilities that have barely been used if at all

Russia have definitely been using drones, for at least the past week.

They have supposedly been reluctant to use planes as they haven't controlled much of the air space and have had several jets shot down.

Not seen much evidence for sea-to-air or sea-to-land though.