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No one until we have all bodies, losses, etc. accounted for, which neither Russia nor Ukraine are doing.I'm curious. If NATO, Ukraine, NYTimes, CNN, etc. aren't reliable sources (and I'm not saying everything they say is), then what sources *would* you believe?
Ukraine is saying there are "Thousands upon thousands of unidentified dead bodies", Russia is staying dead quiet and they're both lying.
That's why I'm putting very little stake in the casualty count dickmeasuring. We can quantify that at least 14,000 people were verifiably killed in the Donbas region and based on years of gruesome footage of horrible shelling and firefights, that number does not seem unrealistic. Ukraine and Russia are both full of shit so this "let's just use them both as sources for our estimations" is stupid.