Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

[Source]

Must be more like performance art at this point lol

I was thinking TBI or MCI.

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

Retard is a race of people now? Sounds like something a retard would say.

Yes, typical white privilege soy boy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Looks cgi but reddit experts saying it got something to do with frame rate

Ultimately who gets to decide whether to surrender Mariupo or not? The Civil War of the US was considered basically over when Robert E Lee surrendered his army even though there were still active units. IIRC President Jefferson Davis wanted to continue the fight via guerilla warfare but Lee was like ""nah bruh" and that was basically it.

If the Mayor of Mariupol cries "Uncle!" could Zelensky could do anything to stop it?

 

[Anewt]

Why are you spamming this in multiple threads?

Who said the destroyed shopping centre wasn't a target?

Why are you so desperate for this to be seen?

What's your actual motivation, who or what are you disproving?

Ones a clear war crime. The other isn't.. that's a pretty big point of difference.

The fact that there was military there and they destroyed it at night leads me to believe Russia was trying to minimize civilian casualties.


And yes Russia is to blame for invading Putin sucks blah blah blah before I have to go through it all again

 

[AB234]

I'm not sure what kind of games these guys are playing, but it's building momentum.



4 days until our senile, geriatric, mindless puppet goes to Poland and tells people they're not black.

 

[Cole train]

Ultimately who gets to decide whether to surrender Mariupo or not? The Civil War of the US was considered basically over when Robert E Lee surrendered his army even though there were still active units. IIRC President Jefferson Davis wanted to continue the fight via guerilla warfare but Lee was like ""nah bruh" and that was basically it.

If the Mayor of Mariupol cries "Uncle!" could Zelensky could do anything to stop it?

Ukraine doesn't have operational resources to help mariupol if rus manage to take it

Nor do they have resources for any big counterattack (they have managed to take back small areas but can't do a big push)

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Ultimately who gets to decide whether to surrender Mariupo or not? The Civil War of the US was considered basically over when Robert E Lee surrendered his army even though there were still active units. IIRC President Jefferson Davis wanted to continue the fight via guerilla warfare but Lee was like ""nah bruh" and that was basically it.

If the Mayor of Mariupol cries "Uncle!" could Zelensky could do anything to stop it?

Isn't mariupol defended by azov? I don't see them giving up easy as I wouldn't expect nice treatment if they did. I don't think the mayor has a say in it either.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Ones a clear war crime. The other isn't.. that's a pretty big point of difference.

The fact that there was military there and they destroyed it at night leads me to believe Russia was trying to minimize civilian casualties.


And yes Russia is to blame for invading Putin sucks blah blah blah before I have to go through it all again

That's not actually my point.

My question was, why is it so important to raise this issue?

Putin's armed forces are destroying Mariupol in a prolonged siege. They are indiscriminate about buildings hit.

It's hypocritical to claim that others are hypocritical when there is a prolonged campaign of 'war crimes' by pointing to a single instance of a 'war crime'.

 

[deadon]

I'm not sure what kind of games these guys are playing, but it's building momentum.



4 days until our senile, geriatric, mindless puppet goes to Poland and tells people they're not black.

I'm confused, we're told putin is trying to get out of this war because he's losing.

Then we're told his military is done and is weak AF and their tech is shit.

Now I'm told he's going to invade more countries? Someone is full of shit.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Well that's kind of irrefutable isn't it?

In hindsight of course. At the time people did refute it though.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I'm not sure what kind of games these guys are playing, but it's building momentum.



4 days until our senile, geriatric, mindless puppet goes to Poland and tells people they're not black.

Nothing to do with your God-in-chief, put down the Bible.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

My point isn't that us intelligence and uk intelligence never tells thr truth...

My point is they're extremely selective and proven to use misinformation and lies on its own populations when they want to push a narrative they wish to promote.

So I don't trust them... at all.

Just like Russian information... ditto Ukraine..

Everyone involved has its reasons to tweak the numbers.

OK, but there are established borders, there's only one of these countries with foreign troops in it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Ukraine doesn't have operational resources to help mariupol if rus manage to take it

Nor do they have resources for any big counterattack (they have managed to take back small areas but can't do a big push)

Yeah looks like all these cities are on their own. Whether they stand or fall is up to the leaders and armed forces within those cities.

Isn't mariupol defended by azov? I don't see them giving up easy as I wouldn't expect nice treatment if they did. I don't think the mayor has a say in it either.

That's a good point, I can imagine it now

Mayor: "Okay now, we all surrender now"
Azov: "ні"

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

I'm confused, we're told putin is trying to get out of this war because he's losing.

Then we're told his military is done and is weak AF and their tech is shit.

Now I'm told he's going to invade more countries? Someone is full of shit.

It's war, everyone is full of shit to some degree

 

[Anewt]

That's not actually my point.

My question was, why is it so important to raise this issue?

Putin's armed forces are destroying Mariupol in a prolonged siege. They are indiscriminate about buildings hit.

It's hypocritical to claim that others are hypocritical when there is a prolonged campaign of 'war crimes' by pointing to a single instance of a 'war crime'.

Because if it's not pointed out it becomes part of the narrative and unquestionable I think the truth is worth pointing out.

 

[AB234]

Well there it is.

Mods are going to ban Joe Biden for telling the truth.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Yeah looks like all these cities are on their own. Whether they stand or fall is up to the leaders and armed forces within those cities.

Intelligence experts are suggesting Russia might literally move city-to-city given their wide-scale invasion has largely faltered, so there's some credibility to this idea cities are on their own.

Of course it will be loooooooong drawn out affair as they wait to legitimately conquer their first city.

Of many.

 

[Anewt]

OK, but there are established borders, there's only one of these countries with foreign troops in it.

.... this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not uk and us intelligence is trustworthy........

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Because if it's not pointed out it becomes part of the narrative and unquestionable I think the truth is worth pointing out.

I don't think correcting a lie or misinformation should ever need to be defended

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Because if it's not pointed out it becomes part of the narrative and unquestionable I think the truth is worth pointing out.

USA has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine, I don't know why that's so hard to understand?

Nobody agreed with the USA's clown-shoes invasion of Iraq, or their involvement in Afghanistan.

Trying to argue points about those conflicts and the mistakes US governments made in a conflict between Russia and Ukraine is one of the stupidest things English speakers have to deal with.