Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

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curryjunkie said:
It is the same girl, the photographer was obviously exiting in front of her and took multiple photos, it's propoganda value is huge. Doesn't mean for a second it's a conspiracy or fake.
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Ok, let me explain it to you step by step, then. If there really were patients in that building, after Russians have shelled it, the emergency services would arrive to deal with consequences of it, evacuating the people. Judging by the damage done to the building, casualties must be huge. Yet the only photos of the accident we have are not from the emergency servicemen, but from the photographer who is infamous as a government propaganda carrier. Strange coincidence, isn’t it?
 
GoldenWolf87 said:
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Except no one made Putin invade Ukraine. The supply of energy to the EU was a golden goose for Putin but he decided to risk it all to expand Russia's influence. I'm sure that the US are happy with how things have turned out but Europe needed to get away from Putin and this is why. The US wanted the EU to pay more for it's military as part of NATO for many years and they especially Germany used to laugh in the US's faces at the suggestion. By invading Europe Putin has achieved exactly this. This vindicates the US position on Russia and Europe but I think this has gone beyond their wildest dreams in achieving that and it was caused by Putin's arrogance and delusions of grandeur.
 
Dexter said:
Lol. It WAS shelled, because there was “Azov” CP there. And civilians were long time gone.
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I did read a report that Russia claimed the hospital was housing fighters few hours before the shelling.

Russia says claim it bombed children's hospital is 'fake news'
The White House condemned the hospital bombing as a "barbaric use of military force to go after innocent civilians".
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A woman walks outside the damaged by shelling maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine, Wednesday, March 9. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)


THU, 10 MAR, 2022 - 09:20
REUTERS AND ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTÉRS
Russia has said that a Ukrainian claim that it bombed a children's hospital in Mariupol was "fake news" because the building was a former maternity hospital that had long been taken over by troops.

"That’s how fake news is born," Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia's first deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, said on Twitter.

Polyanskiy said Russia had warned on March 7 that the hospital had been turned into a military object from which Ukrainians were firing.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40825403.html

Not agreeing with either narrative before I get attacked. Just thought it might be relevant that Russia declared that before shelling
 
Dexter said:
Ok, let me explain it to you step by step, then. If there really were patients in that building, after Russians have shelled it, the emergency services would arrive to deal with consequences of it, evacuating the people. Judging by the damage done to the building, casualties must be huge. Yet the only photos of the accident we have are not from the emergency servicemen, but from the photographer who is infamous as a government propaganda carrier. Strange coincidence, isn’t it?
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Too long didn't read <Oku04>
 
If Russia were not invading a sovereign nation, the question of what shit they have and haven't blown up wouldn't arise.

Sorta like arguing over whether they slapped a kid during a home invasion.
 
Videer said:
Have yet to see anything to back that up.
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I won’t post any of it ‘cause they are from Mariupol citizens and in Russian/Ukrainian languages. And it will be the same reaction about it as it was in our discussion with @aries on Ukrainians not allowing civilian evacuation :D.
Meanwhile, the lack of civilian casualties speak for itself. If there really were the pregnant women there, Ukrainian side would use it as propaganda lever ASAP.
 
Dexter said:
I won’t post any of it ‘cause they are from Mariupol citizens and in Russian/Ukrainian languages. And it will be the same reaction about it as it was in our discussion with @aries on Ukrainians not allowing civilian evacuation :D.
Meanwhile, the lack of civilian casualties speak for itself. If there really were the pregnant women there, Ukrainian side would use it as propaganda lever ASAP.
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Oh the same "yeah I've seen them" you did when you pushed fake fact checking.

edit. proofs found!

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Lol at the conspiracy theories that the pregnant lady is some Instagram model. The source links look so legit and the country that shelled a nuclear power plant would definitely never bomb a hospital!
 
Videer said:
Oh the same "yeah I've seen them" you did when you pushed fake fact checking.
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When I was asked about evidences earlier, I posted everything, including Sumy major speech about shooting the convoys. Reaction from my western colleagues? Zero. So, what sense in doing it yet again?:D
 
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