International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[Orgasmo]

At this point I think NATO members should stop gaslighting Ukraine on weapon deliveries. Countries should not be promising Ukraine things they have no intention to actually deliver.

Media: Denmark to delay F-16 aircraft delivery to Ukraine

In mid-August, Denmark pledged to provide Ukraine with 19 F-16s, with the first batch of six aircraft to be delivered by the end of 2023 and the rest by 2025 as part of the effort by allies to arm Ukraine to repel Russian air superiority.

kyivindependent.com

Canada promised to deliver a $400M air defence system to Ukraine a year ago. It still hasn't arrived.

The government said Jan. 10, 2023 that it would acquire the air defence system and related munitions for Ukraine at a cost of $406 million.

ottawacitizen.com

 

[Denter]

My point is that the Russians tried to assault an airfield at the beginning of the war and were slaughtered. NATO used combined arms to achieve tactical goals and Russia uses meatwall.

The video of the attack is online and is very long, but that slaughter narrative was debunked.

 

[SandisLL]

The video of the attack is online and is very long, but that slaughter narrative was debunked.

Nothing was debunked....
Small special operation most likely had been planned with usage of some groups located in different parts of city who together with local traitors and already infiltrated pro diversants will create chaos and then airfield will be capable to accept large airplanes with liberators ....quickly.
While after airfield's runways were shelled with arty on top looks that it wasn't possible anymore, therefore small special operation had been cancelled.

Only one thing really looks that was ukr fake: talks about 3 shot down large airplanes with paratroopers....

If they easily controlled airfield with not damaged runways .....then most likely 30 airplanes had been possible to accept during short timeframe....

 

[SandisLL]

At this point I think NATO members should stop gaslighting Ukraine on weapon deliveries. Countries should not be promising Ukraine things they have no intention to actually deliver.

Media: Denmark to delay F-16 aircraft delivery to Ukraine

In mid-August, Denmark pledged to provide Ukraine with 19 F-16s, with the first batch of six aircraft to be delivered by the end of 2023 and the rest by 2025 as part of the effort by allies to arm Ukraine to repel Russian air superiority.

kyivindependent.com

Canada promised to deliver a $400M air defence system to Ukraine a year ago. It still hasn't arrived.

The government said Jan. 10, 2023 that it would acquire the air defence system and related munitions for Ukraine at a cost of $406 million.

ottawacitizen.com

Ohh, air def systems prices are listed in different ways: system plus some batch with missiles OR just system alone without missiles....
Since missiles are very expensive here might appear damn huge difference between these prices.

Also bireucrats language is different than normal ppl are using.
Therefore....sadly for Ukraine, maybe they had intent ....to order such system and didn't had scheduled to sent some from their systems BUT order new from manufacturer....then delays might be easy to explain.....

Denmark is a bit complex case cos they needs to increase airspace patrols..they even had scheduled upgrade and refubrish some F-16 ...most likely for usage by Denmark....

 

[SandisLL]

Land based SAM systems usually price is listed without ...missiles....( not always ) and price depends from configuration ,model, is this new or second hand system etc stuff plus from delivery terms. Faster: more $.

BTW with these NASAMS missiles cost might be 0,2-1,2 m for 1 missile, depending from model and other variables....

 

[Strychnine]

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[SandisLL]

Components impacting SAM system price are multiple and there again a lot depends from multiple variables ....
1. CP and ComP, additional units ...
2. Launchers type and number... ( launcher alone is relatively cheap while delivery terms and is this used or fresh impacts price seriously )
3. Number, model of missiles ordered for batch...
If these are new fresh missiles then usually the larger batch ordered the cheaper will be 1 missile, the longer delivery terms the cheaper will be 1 missile etc ....
For old or " old " missiles from storage IMHO negotiation skills plays very important role too...

 

[SandisLL]

NASAMS battery usually is with 4 or 6 launchers, while might be 8 launchers.
Guidance radars 1 or 2....might be used as part of grid of multi layer defense system...

Each launcher does have 6 missiles....and there cost of 1 missile too does have huge impact and how this is listed: without some batch with missiles or " empty ".
1 missile = 0,2 -1,2 m USD$.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[PEB]

It's being reported less then a half an hour a go that multiple Ruzzzan bombers are in the air loaded with missiles. It is also being reported that Ukrainian temperatures are the lowest this year at below -10 degrees C. The timing of this happening when the temperature is the lowest in Ukraine this year. No doubt the effort is to hit Ukrainian energy sectors.

 

[PEB]

Not surprised Putin using Religion to push his agenda that sounds a lot like someone political we see in the US.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia is increasing hybrid warfare against EU countries. From hacking attempts till troll bot farms posting social networks comments and comments about videos on YT. Literally really generously paid networks in order to spread fake narratives about EU countries, to create different " economy " version and to portray different history version approved by Hitler ( sorry Stalin or Putin and modern Kremlin does have more territorial ambitions than western friend Stalin had. Empire from Lisbon, empire that should be.... nothing lesser for long term...while ofc to lie is mandatory for them.
" Empire that should be is empire from Lisbon till Vladivostok "; Russian World.

 

[Cole train]

About hostomel if anyones interested

 

[SandisLL]

About hostomel if anyones interested

Same guy who did desert storm air campaign vid

Didn't had bothered to watch full clickbait story.
POTUS had relocated navy from Black Sea fleet in 12.02.2022 th AFIAK and embassy perssonel too from Kiev so Ukr had been dr facto SOLD.
All after this is just waste of time.

Weak old delusional idiots....
Ukraine should had agreed with every bare thing Russia demands and better with Iran ( unlike Russia it is more trustable ally, Armenia will confirm with a glance ) rather than with waste of money and time west....
Unforunate reality to have lazy and cocky selfish friends.

While invasion was not cos NATO or EU. Just cos Russia wants in reality to be empire from Lisbon till Vladivostok and only an idiot can't see that Huelensky didn't had chance to be re elected IF Putin did nothing nor Ukr had chance to get in EU or NATO during next years.
You love russia while they will put you in basement ....you will see and will remember this post if it will happen. Emperors doesn't cares about ants...never had cared, nationality claims never had worked IRL.
Dream further. Stalin had built GULAG funaments and empire of lies on.....russians bones.

 

[ferrisjso]

Id argue that if Ukraine waits too much longer to go to the negotiating table that Russia will eventually take Odessa. If that happens, Ukraine will essentially be a land locked rump state.

The ukrainian negotiating position is only getting weaker and weaker the longer they drag this out. Their best opportunity was to take the deal reached in Turkey in April 2022.

I do not think they are going to do that not because they aren't capable(if they really wanted to do an amphibious assault I guess they could get it done) but logistical and diplomatic reasons outlined below.

First going to the west side of the Dneiper makes supplying those troops tricky same with Mykolaev(which Russia has shown more interest in potentially capturing as its an incredibly valuable location for the Baltic fleet like Kherson). In the early days of the conflict Kherson was taken and they were maybe gunning for Mykolaev when they still thought Ukraine would quickly collapse. When this turned out not to be the case Russia subsequently went back to the other side of the Dneiper. Holding an isolated beachead on the other side of the river requires more attention than they are willing to give it at the moment.

However long the Ukranians are willing to fight capturing Odessa would make it harder to force Ukraine to the table because right now Ukraine is fighting to control people it does not really want and land it does not really need. Threatening to make Ukraine a landlocked country would reverse that and the war could go on and on. And even once that hypothetical war ends the loss of Odessa would give Ukraine a future territorial goal which would matter enough to them for which they'd be agitating to get it back IE how the French were agitating to get Alsace-Lorraine back after 1870. You could say Crimea is the same thing but it really isn't it was more important to Russia than to Ukraine it had been traded to Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear arsenal and was the home of Russias fleet even when it was part of Ukraine. Odessa(IE having a coastline) would be more important to Ukraine. And you want to avoid taking territory the enemy covets more than you do.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukrainians should get that all papers are...toilet paper and IF Ukraine was something like North Korea, Russia never had balls to invade. Promises from polite uncles are worth 0.... It is business and nothing personal.

 

[curryjunkie]

Not surprised Putin using Religion to push his agenda that sounds a lot like everyone political we see in the US.

Fixed..

 

[AWilder]

Id argue that if Ukraine waits too much longer to go to the negotiating table that Russia will eventually take Odessa. If that happens, Ukraine will essentially be a land locked rump state.

The ukrainian negotiating position is only getting weaker and weaker the longer they drag this out. Their best opportunity was to take the deal reached in Turkey in April 2022.

Taking Odessa?

 

[Wetarmpits]

Not surprised Putin using Religion to push his agenda that sounds a lot like someone political we see in the US.

Of course. They share a tribe that’s ripping people off as much as possible and by all means for personal benefits.

One is hierarchically a level below tho and he knows that.

 

[PEB]

Opsy my bad.​

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Russia accidentally drops bomb on Russian-occupied Luhansk region - official​

In the Russian-occupied Luhansk region in eastern Ukraine, a Russian warplane accidentally released a bomb on the town of Rubizhne, Leonid Pasechnik, the head of the region’s Moscow-appointed government, said.
He said the bomb, an FAB-250 that carries a high-explosive warhead, did not cause injuries, the Associated Press reports.
The incident comes only six days after Russia accidentally dropped munitions over the village of Petropavlovka in the Belgorod region.
Russia has occupied parts of the Luhansk region since 2014. After Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Moscow’s troops seized the majority of the region, including Rubizhne, according to the Kyiv Independent.
Updated at 08.04 EST