International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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Rod1 said:
Do you know what proxy war means
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Sure seems like he's just saying random words or phrases he heard/read.

NATO/US has so far sent a lot of their old equipment. Ukraine is also fighting with their hands tied behind their backs by limitations on attacking Russia within Russia using long range missiles they got. Ukraine has still not been sent long range missiles to strike most parts of Russia. Ukraine has still not received planes. It took forever to gets tanks. It took forever to gets HIMARS.

If Ukraine received even what it has so far in the first month of the war, this war would have been over.
 
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DEVILsSON said:
If/when Ukraine takes Crimea in 2-3 years, are you going to pretend you were right?

Also remind us if you're pro-Russia or just 'neutral' in this conflict....it's so tough to tell...
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So you expect this conflict to drag on 2-3 years? How much do you anticipate we will spend on the conflict itself and then Ukraine rebuilding?

and how many Ukrainians will die in that time? I. Addition to those already dead? I am not saying you’re pro Russia, but seems you’re anti American and anti average Ukrainian being disposable cannon fodder for corrupt oligarchs

Just my opinion tho
 
cottagecheesefan said:
So you expect this conflict to drag on 2-3 years? How much do you anticipate we will spend on the conflict itself and then Ukraine rebuilding?

and how many Ukrainians will die in that time? I. Addition to those already dead? I am not saying you’re pro Russia, but seems you’re anti American and anti average Ukrainian being disposable cannon fodder for corrupt oligarchs

Just my opinion tho
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I also think it will last another few years yet.

How much will the US spend on it? A fraction of a percentage point of GDP, like they are now.

Fuck all, basically.

Just because the numbers look big to you doesn't mean they're crippling to the US.

There are countries putting a lot more into this than the US, per capita.
 
All you apologists that want Ukraine to just give up are like premature ejaculators. Ukraine has all the momentum right now and it's looking like they might break through.

But you want them to give up now. Yea ok makes sense.

Stop pretending like you know what the average Ukrainian wants. Or their will to fight.
 
Hog-train said:
All you apologists that want Ukraine to just give up are like premature ejaculators. Ukraine has all the momentum right now and it's looking like they might break through.

But you want them to give up now. Yea ok makes sense.

Stop pretending like you know what the average Ukrainian wants. Or their will to fight.
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They wanted them to give up in the first place, because some how they conflated Russia invading Ukraine with Trump losing the election or some shit.

Ukraine = Biden, sound logic like that.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
So you expect this conflict to drag on 2-3 years? How much do you anticipate we will spend on the conflict itself and then Ukraine rebuilding?

and how many Ukrainians will die in that time? I. Addition to those already dead? I am not saying you’re pro Russia, but seems you’re anti American and anti average Ukrainian being disposable cannon fodder for corrupt oligarchs

Just my opinion tho
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Well that's one way to spin it. I get it..."Hitler didn't attack us!".....

I support the will of the Ukrainian people and I am more than happy to provide the thus far tiny amount towards that goal. US has spent less than 5% of its defense budget in helping Ukraine.
 
Hog-train said:
All you apologists that want Ukraine to just give up are like premature ejaculators. Ukraine has all the momentum right now and it's looking like they might break through.

But you want them to give up now. Yea ok makes sense.

Stop pretending like you know what the average Ukrainian wants. Or their will to fight.
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Aren’t the average Ukrainians saying they don’t want to fight anymore, which is why they are having recruitment scandals and whatnot?

just curious. How long do you think this will go in, and how many donyou think will die (Ukrainians)?


DEVILsSON said:
Well that's one way to spin it. I get it..."Hitler didn't attack us!".....

I support the will of the Ukrainian people and I am more than happy to provide the thus far tiny amount towards that goal. US has spent less than 5% of its defense budget in helping Ukraine.
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If you support the Ukraine people, answer the most important part. In the next 2-3 years, how many casualties do you think the Ukrainians will suffer? Which has nothing to do with being for or against russia
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Aren’t the average Ukrainians saying they don’t want to fight anymore, which is why they are having recruitment scandals and whatnot?
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Are they? How do you have a direct line to the 'average' Ukrainian?

That sounds fucking MASSIVELY unlikely.

They've been invaded.

They're not likely to just want to give up with hundreds of years of anti-Russian sentiment behind them.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Aren’t the average Ukrainians saying they don’t want to fight anymore, which is why they are having recruitment scandals and whatnot?

just curious. How long do you think this will go in, and how many donyou think will die (Ukrainians)?


answer the most important part. In the next 2-3 years, how many casualties do you think the Ukrainians will suffer?
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Ukrainians support the war. The difference between Ukrainians and Afghanis is literally night and day. We see it as clear as day. One country is fighting tooth and nail and the other simply laid down their arms against a much smaller attacking force(when US left). I get it though, you don't want us to trust our lying eyes.....

I don't know how many more will die but that's the price of freedom. It sucks but it also sucks living under a brutal corrupt dictatorship.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Aren’t the average Ukrainians saying they don’t want to fight anymore, which is why they are having recruitment scandals and whatnot?

just curious. How long do you think this will go in, and how many donyou think will die (Ukrainians)?
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Every poll I've seen say a clear majority still support fighting the war. Recent Gallup poll said 70%.

As for how many will die - how the hell can we know that. No one knows that because we don't know how it will end.
 
Hog-train said:
Every poll I've seen say a clear majority still support fighting the war. Recent Gallup poll said 70%.

As for how many will die - how the hell can we know that. No one knows that because we don't know how it will end.
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link to poll?
 
Hog-train said:
All you apologists that want Ukraine to just give up are like premature ejaculators. Ukraine has all the momentum right now and it's looking like they might break through.

But you want them to give up now. Yea ok makes sense.

Stop pretending like you know what the average Ukrainian wants. Or their will to fight.
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Yeah this is just going to have to play out how it plays out. I don't think any of us really know yet how it will end, but I'm pretty sure the sunshine and rainbows "we're about to win" from the Russia fans and Ukraine respecters are not realistic.
 
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