International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

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In make-believe upside down world a military organization is “all in” despite committing no troops and withholding some of the best weaponry.

thats cause theyre realizing they overcommitted themselves and in reality are short on both

at this moment nato doesn't have the capacity to wage a conventional war with a military power like russia.

all they can do is provide ukraine with weapons and cheerlead on the sidelines.
 




This was very very fast....


But he did not offer specifics.

“So for operations security reasons, I'm not going to get into delivery timelines other than to say we're confident that we'll be able to get the Patriots there on an expedited timeline,” Ryder said. “I'll just leave it at that.”

Pushed to confirm a CNN story published earlier Tuesday that the Patriot delivery will be faster than expected, Ryder confirmed that the training of the Ukrainian air defense troops did go quicker than anticipated.

“You're seeing that the Ukrainians that were undergoing Patriot training went faster than expected, just given their propensity and eagerness to do the training,” he said. “So of course that figures into this and I really, again, don't want to get into when you're going to see the Patriot arrive in Ukraine other than one day, it will be there and we'll highlight that once the Ukrainians have done things.”

According to CNN, the delivery of a Patriot air defense system to Ukraine "will be faster than originally planned."

“A group of 65 Ukrainian soldiers will complete their training on the systems at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in the coming days," CNN reported, citing a US defense officials said on Tuesday.

ok that was really fast actually.
"The troops will then move on to Europe for additional training on the two Patriot systems – one American and one built by the Germans and Dutch – that will be deployed to Ukraine in the coming weeks, the officials told reporters at Fort Sill."

Germany had initially promised Ukraine a Patriot system, but both CNN and Politico reported Tuesday that it will consist of components from German and Dutch systems.

US trainers at Fort Sill, where the 65 Ukrainians have been training since January 15, were able to significantly speed up the timeline of the course because of the Ukrainians’ baseline knowledge of air defense systems, the officials told reporters from several news organizations.


“Our assessment is that the Ukrainian soldiers are impressive, and absolutely a quick study,” said Brig. Gen. Shane Morgan, the Fort Sill commander. “Due to their extensive air defense knowledge and experience in a combat zone, it was easier – though never easy – for them to grasp the Patriot System Operations and Maintenance concepts.”

The US military had allocated 10 weeks for the training, according to CNN, "but the Ukrainians completed it in about eight weeks" as they underwent an "aggressive" training schedule that ran daily from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m.

The Patriots are “capable of intercepting cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and aircraft," a senior U.S. defense official told reporters, including from The War Zone on Dec. 21. “For air defense, there is no silver bullet. Our goal is to help Ukraine strengthen a layered integrated approach to air defense that will include Ukraine's own legacy capabilities as well as NATO standard systems. Patriot will complement a range of medium- and short-range air defense capabilities that we have provided and the allies have provided in prior donation packages.”

The biggest facet the Patriot system brings to Ukraine is a robust ability to counter ballistic missile threats. Currently, Ukraine only has a very peripheral capability in this regard via a limited number of their S-300 system.

You can read more about the Patriot system, its potential role in Ukraine, and some of the things it can and can’t do, in our coverage here.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ir-defenses-to-arrive-sooner-than-anticipated
 
Just having a chuckle mate. Just like every nation on this earth we definitely have thick people and unsophisticated people.. <Fedor23>

come on now... we all know wez is an accurate depiction of your average australian
 
We have already stopped buying from Russia. It’s kind of painfully obvious you haven’t followed this war and also obvious that you haven’t put much thought in it. That why you thought you could come in and type MIC like it was some bombshell. Sorry that’s day one silliness that we’ve long since stopped talking about.

What you’re suggesting is that Russia is invading Ukraine so that some American companies can profit. That’s really stupid my friend.

You don't understand. Russia has to dump their oil right now to India on the cheap. We can make that even worse for them by flooding the market with our oil. When Trump let them crank it up, priced dropped down below $30 and it was destroying Russia. Then CV-19 hit.

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Anything under $70 is terrible for the Russian economy and everyone knows it.
 
You don't understand. Russia has to dump their oil right now to India on the cheap. We can make that even worse for them by flooding the market with our oil. When Trump let them crank it up, priced dropped down below $30 and it was destroying Russia. Then CV-19 hit.

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Anything under $70 is terrible for the Russian economy and everyone knows it.
You want to undercut them at what is a terrible price already. That doesn’t seem like a great strategy. We are already strangling their economy in the long run already
 
You want to undercut them at what is a terrible price already. That doesn’t seem like a great strategy. We are already strangling their economy in the long run already

The current price is very high. All we have to do is drop it below $70 like Trump did with increased production.
 
You don't understand. Russia has to dump their oil right now to India on the cheap. We can make that even worse for them by flooding the market with our oil. When Trump let them crank it up, priced dropped down below $30 and it was destroying Russia. Then CV-19 hit.

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Anything under $70 is terrible for the Russian economy and everyone knows it.

Take your balls out of Trumps mouth, we are already at prepandemic levels of production in the USA.


Price cratered because of COVID-19
 
Take your balls out of Trumps mouth, we are already at prepandemic levels of production in the USA.


Price cratered because of COVID-19

Fuck Trump you dumbass. You're an economic idiot. All we have to do to bankrupt Russia with the current oil prices is drop them through supply increase.
 
Their economy is already shattered in the long run. You said it would take a few years of this, so what’s the point? Also, how does that help Ukraine defend themselves in the meantime?

Oil and LING are the only things keeping them from total implosion. You don't know shit about Economics either. WTF Lefties? Get some brains in here.
 
I was being facetious, there hasn't been a point in American history without social and economic issues while it was at war.
We had social and economic issues during WWII?
Didn't WWII bring America out of the great depression? Made it a world power?
 
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What has actually been spent in Ukraine to date is a subset of what has been approved for spending. So if you read beyond those headlines, you will find that those sources are basically saying the same thing as your original source, which said that around $32B was spent aiding Ukraine militarily to date.
Really?
So, now the $32 billion figure is right?
Yeah, it is a budget for past, present, and future spending - that has been approved and allocated. You don't seem to understand that.
"US has given $113B in aid to help Ukraine in its war with Russia, oversight report." The statement remains true.
...another way to look at it:
You buy a house for $200,000 and make partial monthly payments. You are still paying $200,000 for the house + interest.
 
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