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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

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IMF projected economy growth for Rus this year. Low in fact but still far cry from doom and gloom painted by western elites. Rus forces gaining initiative in Ukr once more while there are doubts whether Ukr will be able to mount planned spring offensive. So where are those demoralized soldiers then? NATO is united but Rus got allies too. I thought Milley have some independent thinking on the situation but at this point he is now repeating what those above him were.
We'll see how it turns out.
A quick crash and burn seems out of the question for now.
The goal should really be to impair them on the long term.
Even if the war ends tomorrow, the EU can't allow itself to be intertwined with Russia any meaningful way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/economy/imf-kristalina-georgieva-interview/index.html
 
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Ok.
Again, what does the statement below mean?

A prolonged ambush? Not to be a dick, but do you even know what an ambush is? ...and it is certainly not prolonged. o_O

But you can't help but be a dick! Embrace it, you have obviously found your calling in life!

This is the definition of an ambush from the US Military:

An ambush is a surprise attack from a concealed position on a moving or temporarily halted target. It can include an assault to close with and destroy the target or an assault by fire. An ambush need not seize or hold ground. The purpose of an ambush is to destroy or to harass enemy forces. The ambush combines the advantages of the defense with the advantages of the offense, allowing a smaller force with limited means the ability to destroy a much larger force. Ambushes are enemy-oriented. Terrain is held only long enough to conduct the ambush, and then the force withdraws. Ambushes range from simple to complex and synchronized; short duration of minutes to long duration of hours;

So yet I'm stretching the definition somewhat but you know what these are extraordinary conditions. An ambush is a 'surprise attack', so you say well 'this can't still be valid because there is no element of surprise.' But what if you extend your thinking to say what if the victim of an ambush continues to act in a manner as if they are still surprised? Which is they continue to act in the same manner that they did when they are originally surprised? So this is still an ambush, because of the way the enemy have reacted or in fact not-reacted.

This bit is important:
The ambush combines the advantages of the defense with the advantages of the offense, allowing a smaller force with limited means the ability to destroy a much larger force. Ambushes are enemy-oriented. Terrain is held only long enough to conduct the ambush, and then the force withdraws.

Isn't this EXACTLY what is happening in Bakhmut? The Russians walked into an ambush where a much smaller force of Ukrainians use the advantages of defence (geographical advantage) and offence (surprise) to destroy a much larger force.

But the issue is normally humans being intelligent won't continue to give their opponents the advantages of an ambush and will change tactics to mitigate those advantages. But what if they actually continue to just carry on with the same approach and give their enemy all the advantages that the initial ambush conveyed?

The concept on ambush only really applies to groups of average human intelligence. Do Wildebeest turn back form the cliff when if they never realise they have been tricked towards running towards it by the Hunters?

That is nowhere near this statement:
"...being in a location does not actually literally mean being literally in a defined location." It is okay, I know what you are trying to say mate. Just playing with you. You should have just said "...being in a location means being in said location or close to it."
Cheers!
No it's not just that. Bakhmut is a district. Saying you are in Bakhmut or fighting for Bakhmut is very ambigious. The district is 651 sq. miles. A huge area. Are the media referring to Bakhmut the city or the district? So saying you are in Bakhmut can have a huge variation.

It's understandable because the forces both defending and attacking aren't static. So unless the media actually start giving up to the up to the minute grid references, as to actually where both sets of forces are, there is always going to be an element of ambiguity.

But the bigger issue is you jumped into a conversation between me and Rational Poster who 'corrected' me, unnecessarily, that 'The "60,000" Ukrainians encircled in Bahkmut are not in Bahkmut.' This was presumption on his part that I was under the assumption that Ukrainian defenders were located in the city limits of Bakhmut, but I never made that assumption for the exact reasons I gave you that I would not call someone who said they lived in London a liar if they actually lived in Greater London rather than the City of London.

I'm fully aware that when the media report locations they make their reports concise. If I said I lived in Twickenham rather that London, who would care? It's in Greater London. The media simplify things because often they only care about the bigger picture rather than pedantic accuracy.

And nowhere is going to give exact grid coordinates in a war zone for obvious strategic regions. As the Wagner group unfortunately found out when they let a Russian embedded reporter photograph them and the Ukrainian's later geolocated them from said photos and took them out.
 
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Russians need to take it for more than propaganda. While it's not strategically significant to Ukraine's survival, due to the degradation of Russia's equipment they can no longer maneuver more than a few km from their nearest supply point. They have to take each town, in a linear order, one at a time to make use of existing rail and road networks in Ukraine.

They've been forced to decentralize and hide their weapons in smaller and smaller weapon stores so they need more and more trucks and supply vehicles that they don't have. Bahkmut has a rail line that the Russians absolutely need to secure if they want to advance further in that direction. They are nearly entirely reliant on rail for logistics at this point which is pretty bad.
I didn't say only for propaganda but I would argue strongly that propaganda is easily the biggest factor for taking Bakhmut for the Russians.Yes it will degrade Russia's ability to supply their troops if they don't take it but that's often the true for any territory that Russia is defending or attacking.

Russia are very motivated to throw huge numbers of personnel to take Bakhmut which goes far beyond any strategic significance (logistical or otherwise) that has been displayed by them thus far apart from the failed assault on Kyiv. So I would conclude, confidently, that the propaganda significance of taking Bakhmut is the biggest motivating factor for Russian forces.
 
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Press ISW
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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 16, 2023

Karolina Hird, Riley Bailey, Angela Howard, George Barros, Nicole Wolkov, Layne Philipson, and Frederick W. Kagan

March 16, 6:15 ET

Click here to see ISW’s interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

Click here to access ISW’s archive of interactive time-lapse maps of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These maps complement the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW produces daily by showing a dynamic frontline. ISW will update this time-lapse map archive monthly.

The Russian Federal State Security Service (FSB) appears to be trying to penetrate the Russian Defense Industrial Base (DIB) in a way that is reminiscent of the KGB’s involvement with the Soviet military establishment. Spokesperson for the Ukrainian Center for the Research of Trophy and Prospective Weapons and Military Equipment of the Ukrainian General Staff Andrii Rudyk remarked on March 16 that Ukrainian experts have found FSB markings on many Russian weapons components that Ukrainian forces have destroyed or captured on the battlefield.[1] Rudyk noted that these markings appear not only on equipment such as T-90M tanks, but also on weapons’ microcircuits, and suggested that this means that the FSB conducted an equipment inspection of such weapons and components.[2] Rudyk concluded that this means that the FSB does not trust Russian military leadership and is conducting inspections of Russian equipment accordingly.[3] FSB markings on Russian equipment and weapons components, if confirmed, would have broader implications for the relationship between the FSB, the Russian DIB, and the broader Russian military apparatus. Either FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov has instructed the FSB to conduct these investigations at the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin, or Bortnikov has issued this directive independent of Putin. In either case the FSB appears to be directly inserting itself into the inner workings of the Russian DIB, likely penetrating equipment acquisition and inspection processes. The KGB (the FSB’s predecessor) notably penetrated the Red Army and Soviet defense industry in a similar fashion.

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed that he received a press question exposing a plot spearheaded by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev to undermine and “neutralize” the Wagner Group. Prigozhin’s press service published a claimed request for comment on March 16 from Russian outlet Nezavisimaya Gazeta asking if Prigozhin was aware of alleged discussions between Putin and Patrushev regarding the future of the Wagner Group.[4] The press comment claims that information on these discussions has recently circulated on Russian and Ukrainian Telegram channels and alleges that Patrushev suggested to Putin that there will be “nothing left” of Wagner in “one and a half to two months.”[5] The post goes on to claim that Patrushev suggested that upon Wagner’s destruction in Ukraine, Prigozhin will try to “unite the former and remaining active Wagner fighters under a far-fetched pretext,” arm them, and ”send them to the territory of Russia in order to seize power in the regions bordering Ukraine with a possible advance inland.”[6] The post concludes that Patrushev has already ordered observation and control over the movement of former Wagner fighters and that Putin reportedly agreed with this step and thanked Patrushev for his efforts to “neutralize Wagner in general and Yevgeny Prigozhin in particular.”[7] Prigozhin posted an audio clip in response to the claimed press comment saying that he had not heard about these supposed negotiations or observed speculation on Telegram channels, remarking that Russian special services should work to neutralize threats to Russia regardless of where they come from.[8]

ISW has not observed any information to suggest that these discussions have happened, nor has ISW captured any speculation in the Russian information space about them. Nezivisimaya Gazeta has not published the press comment on its own site, and no record of the comment is visible anywhere other than in references to the post by Prigozhin’s press service. The lack of external confirmation on this subject suggests that Prigozhin has fabricated the alleged plot to further several information operations on behalf of Wagner and his own reputation. First, this exchange clearly identifies Patrushev and possibly the Russian Security Council as enemies of the Wagner Group. Prigozhin appears to be setting careful information conditions to blame Patrushev for Wagner’s failures and potential crackdowns against the group, as well as introducing an invented scenario wherein Wagner poses a direct threat to Russia domestically. This effort appears to be the next evolution of Prigozhin’s campaign against the Russian military establishment, and Patrushev could become Prigozhin’s next target after his concerted informational campaigns against the Russian Ministry of Defense and General Staff.[9]

Western news agencies confirmed on March 16 that Chinese companies have sold rifles, drone parts, and equipment that could be used for military purposes to unidentified Russian entities. Politico cited data provided by customs data aggregator ImportGenius showing that Chinese companies sent equipment including 1,000 assault rifles, 12 shipments of drone parts, and over 12 tons of body armor to unspecified Russian actors between June and December 2022.[10] CNN also reported on March 16 that Ukrainian forces shot down a retrofitted, weaponized commercial Mugin-5 drone produced by a Chinese commercial manufacturer.[11] These sales appear small in scale, concern largely commercial equipment, and — in all but one confirmed case — do not include companies with ties to the Chinese government, according to Politico.[12]

We do not report in detail on Russian war crimes because those activities are well-covered in Western media and do not directly affect the military operations we are assessing and forecasting. We will continue to evaluate and report on the effects of these criminal activities on the Ukrainian military and population and specifically on combat in Ukrainian urban areas. We utterly condemn these Russian violations of the laws of armed conflict, Geneva Conventions, and humanity even though we do not describe them in these reports.

  • Russian Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine (comprised of two subordinate main efforts)
  • Russian Subordinate Main Effort #1—Capture the remainder of Luhansk Oblast and push westward into eastern Kharkiv Oblast and encircle northern Donetsk Oblast
  • Russian Subordinate Main Effort #2—Capture the entirety of Donetsk Oblast
  • Russian Supporting Effort—Southern Axis
  • Russian Mobilization and Force Generation Efforts
  • Activities in Russian-occupied Areas
Russian Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Russian Subordinate Main Effort #1— Luhansk Oblast (Russian objective: Capture the remainder of Luhansk Oblast and continue offensive operations into eastern Kharkiv Oblast and northern Donetsk Oblast)

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line on March 16. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensive operations near Hryanykivka (17km northeast of Kupyansk), Kreminna, Kuzmyne (3km southwest of Kreminna), Bilohorivka (10km south of Kreminna), Verkhnokamyanske (20km south of Kreminna), and Spirne (25km southeast of Kreminna).[34] Geolocated footage published on March 16 showing Ukrainian forces striking a Russian MT-LB vehicle west of Chervonopopivka (6km northwest of Kreminna) indicates a limited Russian advance northwest of Kreminna.[35] Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Serhiy Cherevaty stated that Russian forces are active near Hryanykivka, Bilohrivka, and Spirne.[36] A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces attempted to advance in the direction of Makiivka, Nevske, Terne, Yampolivka, and Bilohorivka (all within 22km northwest of Kreminna) but did not specify the outcome of the attempted advances.[37] Drone footage published on March 14 purportedly shows Russian forces from the 2nd Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Army Corps striking Ukrainian forces in the Lysychansk direction in western Luhansk Oblast.[38]



Russian Subordinate Main Effort #2—Donetsk Oblast (Russian objective: Capture the entirety of Donetsk Oblast, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian forces continued advancing in and around Bakhmut on March 16. Geolocated footage posted on March 14 indicates that Russian troops have advanced northwest of Bakhmut on the northern banks of the Pivnichnyi Reservoir.[39] Geolocated images additionally confirm Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s claim that Wagner troops captured Zalizianske (9km northwest of Bakhmut) on March 15.[40] Geolocated combat footage posted on March 16 confirms that Russian forces have additionally made marginal advances near Kurdiumivka, 13km southwest of Bakhmut.[41] Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley noted that while Russian forces may be making small tactical gains in Bakhmut, they come at a high manpower and equipment cost.[42] Russian milbloggers claimed on March 16 that Russian forces continue to expand their control of territory northwest of Bakhmut after taking Zalizianske and that fighting continues within the AZOM industrial complex.[43] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian troops repelled Russian attacks on Bakhmut itself; northwest of Bakhmut near Orikhovo-Vasylivka (12km northwest), Hryhorivka (7km northwest), and Bohdanivka (5km northwest); and west of Bakhmut near Ivanivske (5km west).[44] Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Serhiy Cherevaty noted that Russian forces have conducted 42 ground attacks in Bakhmut over the last day.[45] The relatively slower pace of Russian attacks on and around Bakhmut on March 16, coupled with relatively fewer Russian claims on advances in this area, supports ISW’s March 15 assessment that the Wagner Group offensive on Bakhmut is likely nearing culmination.[46]

Russian forces continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka–Donetsk City frontline on March 16. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian troops conducted unsuccessful offensive operations near Avdiivka itself; in the Avdiivka area near Kamianka (4km northeast of Avdiivka), Stepove (7km northwest of Avdiivka); and Severne (5km west of Avdiivka), on the northwestern outskirts of Donetsk City near Nevelske, Neytalove, and Pervomaiske; and on the southwestern outskirts of Donetsk City near Marinka.[47] Russian sources claimed that Russian forces completely captured Krasnohorivka (9km north of Avdiivka) and that this has worsened the situation for the Ukrainian grouping in Avdiivka.[48] ISW has not observed any visual confirmation of the capture of Krasnohorivka as of March 16. A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian troops are continuing ground attacks on the northwestern outskirts of Donetsk City in the direction of Pervomaiske from the Pisky-Vodyane line.[49] One Russian source claimed that Russian forces in Marinka are anticipating a Ukrainian counteroffensive in the village and are in a constant state of readiness.[50]

Russian forces continued limited ground attacks in western Donetsk Oblast on March 16. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian troops conducted unsuccessful offensive actions near Vuhledar (30km southwest of Donetsk City) and that Russian forces are preparing to resume wider offensive operations on Vuhledar.[51] ISW has previously reported on the very degraded state of Russian forces operating around Vuhledar, and it is highly unlikely that damaged naval infantry and Eastern Military District elements currently deployed to western Donetsk Oblast will be able to resume successful offensive operations here in the near future.[52] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed on March 16 that a Russian Orlan-10 UAV detected and destroyed a Ukrainian platoon as it redeployed to the Prechystivka area just west of Vuhledar.[53]
I don't take these Russian infighting stories too seriously. I think the rifts and disputes are fake or highly exaggerated.
 


So...

Either, people are taking action covertly to impact change in Russia..

Or

Russia REALLY needs to upgrade their electrical grid.
 
Power grid coordinates for most powerful electricity transformators and transfer lines are well known since 1990 th...0 problems here.
Like with railroad infrastructure.

Ambush is ambush, but I think that russia still does have very huge problems in Severodonestsk and Soledar and now near Bakhmut are mines.....
This...

While western experts initially assumed that Ukr will be folded in couple of weeks and ukrainians should play wild animals, guerillas to laugh about when stitting in comfortable cublicles and drinking & partying while supposed Kurds No2 will play wild animals in occupied areas in era of thermal sights and modern sensors etc....

Beautiful western " friends " for Ukraine, again bad choice for Ukraine sadly had been confirmed....
Not first time btw.....

Pentagon and Biden more than Congress and Senate wants to block even 165 km range ATACM missiles supplies to Ukr......

More than this, " friends " had cryed that Poland's decision to supply Mig 29 will not impact U.S decision not to supply F-16 to Ukr.

We all see reality that Biden's adminsistration and Pentagon might be very comfortable to cede half of Ukr to their real friends Russia...
And also maye to threat East Germany as Kurds....yeah....it might happen.

I don't agree that Ukr should be in EU or NATO.
While IMHO old tanks like M60A3 upgraded variants and ATACMS missiles with 165 km range should had been supplied to Ukr in summer.....not later.

It all looks like scheduled small war laboratorium.......
 

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The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, including the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.

It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine at least from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

Moscow has denied allegations of war crimes during the invasion.
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They may have missed the hundreds of children taken by Russia?
 
Based on what @Yehudim said earlier ITT your source may actually be Jewish and is using the echo to identify himself as such. I'm not familiar with the practice or the twitter user, so I can't confirm. Just saying.
It was really jarring to see that happen, because there used to be a program or script that would automatically add (((this))) to known Jewish people, and I thought somehow it would continue to work when someone else clicked the link. But no, it was done by themselves. The whole point of that was like a secret handshake to identify Jews, so it doesn’t make sense for an anti-Semite to use it on themselves.
 
Elections like the ones in Russia and North Korea, sure thing buddy.

or like in ukraine after democratically elected president was removed in a coup

If they had been civilians Russia wouldn't had vetoed a UN peacekeeping mission.

I mean its not like they hide it at this point.

youre just talking out of your ass, like usual...

so theres no civilians in donbas, just russian military?

So the failed attempt to encircle them was "just a feint bro"

what failed attempt?

ukraine has one muddy road left out of town where they constantly get stuck or destroyed by russian artillery

Russians are on the offensive right now and they aren't making any meaningful gains.

you can only think that if you completely ignore reality where they been taking town after town in and around bakhmut

At this pace? they would need over a decade to erase Ukrainian advances from the fall offensive, when the spring/summer offensive from Ukraine happens you will disappear like the troll you are.

ukraine is throwing everything at bakhmut and wont have nothing left in summer
 
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