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Russia unveiled a bill on Tuesday that would redefine its maritime borders in the Baltic Sea, causing an outcry among Baltic and other northern European countries and fueling geopolitical tensions.

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By:Sébastian SEIBT

According to a draft Russian defence ministry resolution published on Tuesday, Moscow plans to extend its territorial waters by changing its maritime borders with Finland and Lithuania in the Baltic Sea from January 2025. The redefined coordinates would see Moscow declaring Finnish and Lithuanian areas of the sea as Russian.

“This is an obvious escalation of tensions against NATO and the European Union that requires an appropriate firm response,” wrote Lithuania's foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, on X.

“Russia cannot unilaterally change its borders in this way,” Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson told the TT news agency this week. Estonia and Finland echoed these sentiments.

Russia’s motives for the move remain unclear. The text of the bill was posted on the official website of the Registry of Laws on May 21 and subsequently removed.

Tactical retreat?​

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But Moscow denies that it had a change of heart. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Thursday that Russia’s defence ministry is simply working to “clarify” the border.

“A similar text relating to the Arctic Sea had also been put aside for years by Russia, before suddenly reappearing before the Duma in 2021,” points out Pierre Thévenin, a specialist in maritime law and the Arctic and Baltic regions at the University of Tartu in Estonia.

“In the absence of the text, it is difficult to know Russia's intentions but the legal context in this maritime region with regard to Russian regulations dates back to 1985,” points out Lauri Mälksoo, a specialist in the history of Soviet and international law at the same university.

Russia may be intending to clarify the legacy left by the Soviet Union. After the breakup of the USSR, maritime borders in the Baltic Sea became somewhat blurred. The maritime boundary between Russia and Estonia, for example, remains unresolved. “There was a treaty between the two countries in 2014 but it still hasn't been ratified by Russia,” notes Mälksoo.

It starts with the baseline​

The Baltic Sea region does, indeed, have grey areas in need of clarification, and Moscow may be looking to capitalise on this with its controversial bill. Russian authorities say their intention is simply to update maritime borders that are currently based on geographical data that are too old to be reliable.
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But Moscow seems intent on redrawing part of what is known as the baseline, the contours of a nation’s coastline, used to calculate how far its territorial waters extend. “The baseline is the legal expression of the coastline and represents the end of a state's land,” explains Thévenin.

Most of the time the baseline is easy enough to trace by following the coastline on foot: the low-water line – the land contour at low tide – defines the baseline of a coastal state.

But the devil is in the details. Article 7 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea says that when the coast is “jagged and indented, or if there is a string of islands along the coast”, a state can create a straight baseline “connecting appropriate points”.

“It is these words that are interpreted differently by Russia and Western countries,” says Thévenin.

In the Arctic region, a diplomatic battle rages around Russia's baseline, which may or may not allow it to control the channels between islands. What is at stake in this battle over maritime borders – in the Arctic and perhaps soon in the Baltic Sea – is who controls these waters.

So it is not just a question of extending Russia's maritime borders at the expense of Lithuania or Finland. Moscow could, for example, incorporate certain Russian islands in the Gulf of Finland such as Hogland, 180km west of St. Petersburg, within its internal waters. The waters between the Russian coast and these islands would then legally form part of Russian territory and be considered internal waters.

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And a country can impose special controls on such internal waters, Mälksoo explains, notably restricting access for boats that do not have authorisation.

“Whatever a country decides, any maritime claims, and any limits a state wants to impose on its internal waters must be in line with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea," he says.

A previous incident involving Russia came after its 2014 annexation of Crimea. Moscow wanted the Kerch Strait, previously shared with Ukraine, to be considered internal Russian waters, allowing it to stop any ship traveling there without its authorisation. This led to a sharp rise in tensions with Ukraine following the seizure of Ukrainian vessels in this area in 2018.
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Legal and geopolitical interest

Russia has more than a purely legal interest in clarifying the baselines of the Baltic Sea. “It's just one in a series of incidents marking a serious escalation of tensions in the region,” notes Rinna Kullaa, a specialist in Russian foreign policy issues at the University of Tampere in Finland.

She says it's no coincidence that the Russian bill was put forward after Finland's decision on Tuesday to propose a law tightening controls along the border with Russia, which has been closed since last year. The Russian initiative is payback, in part.

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And there are other issues at play. “It also comes at a time when Russia is seeking to exert greater control over the airspace above Kaliningrad,” says Kullaa. Moscow has been accused of jamming GPS signals over this Russian enclave between Poland and Lithuania.

For Basil Germond, a specialist in maritime security issues at Lancaster University in the UK, Russia's aim in introducing and withdrawing this bill is to intensify “political pressure in the region, to gauge NATO's response”.

It may also be linked to President Vladimir Putin's fixation with the history of the USSR.

“It's not surprising that the Russian government wants to go back on the maritime limits negotiated in 1985, during the détente period,” notes Jeff Hawn, Russia specialist at the London School of Economics.

“Putin believes that Russia was tricked by the West at that time. So for him, this is also a way of saying that he wants to correct those mistakes.”

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...-maritime-borders-angering-baltic-sea-nations
 
Senile Putin wants to test weak Briben here...while might STFU.

Putin now is using Russian foreign assets etc reserves in order to fund military orders and indirectly also via infrastructure funding....budget part.
Putin since March 2022 th is repeating one single phrase in Security Council and their parliament called Duma : small (!) special operation is done as had been planned and will be continued.
Putin also had confirmed for Xi that small special operation according to Putin is going as had been planned and will be continued
.....
 
Russia better watch out hate to see them lose another war against Finland.
As much as Russia got utterly embarrassed in the Winter War and the Continuation War they still ultimately won both unfortunately. Hopefully this is just nothing but it looks like part of their increasing alignment with China has them testing their own version of China's wolf warrior diplomacy in the South China Sea.
 
But...... Putin will surely stop with Ukraine right?

That's Moscow Marge and tiny-D's POV.
Evil gonna Evil.
 
Russia unveiled a bill on Tuesday that would redefine its maritime borders in the Baltic Sea, causing an outcry among Baltic and other northern European countries and fueling geopolitical tensions.

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By:Sébastian SEIBT

According to a draft Russian defence ministry resolution published on Tuesday, Moscow plans to extend its territorial waters by changing its maritime borders with Finland and Lithuania in the Baltic Sea from January 2025. The redefined coordinates would see Moscow declaring Finnish and Lithuanian areas of the sea as Russian.

“This is an obvious escalation of tensions against NATO and the European Union that requires an appropriate firm response,” wrote Lithuania's foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, on X.

“Russia cannot unilaterally change its borders in this way,” Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson told the TT news agency this week. Estonia and Finland echoed these sentiments.

Russia’s motives for the move remain unclear. The text of the bill was posted on the official website of the Registry of Laws on May 21 and subsequently removed.

Tactical retreat?​

6540839_7P1W0.jpeg

But Moscow denies that it had a change of heart. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Thursday that Russia’s defence ministry is simply working to “clarify” the border.

“A similar text relating to the Arctic Sea had also been put aside for years by Russia, before suddenly reappearing before the Duma in 2021,” points out Pierre Thévenin, a specialist in maritime law and the Arctic and Baltic regions at the University of Tartu in Estonia.

“In the absence of the text, it is difficult to know Russia's intentions but the legal context in this maritime region with regard to Russian regulations dates back to 1985,” points out Lauri Mälksoo, a specialist in the history of Soviet and international law at the same university.

Russia may be intending to clarify the legacy left by the Soviet Union. After the breakup of the USSR, maritime borders in the Baltic Sea became somewhat blurred. The maritime boundary between Russia and Estonia, for example, remains unresolved. “There was a treaty between the two countries in 2014 but it still hasn't been ratified by Russia,” notes Mälksoo.

It starts with the baseline​

The Baltic Sea region does, indeed, have grey areas in need of clarification, and Moscow may be looking to capitalise on this with its controversial bill. Russian authorities say their intention is simply to update maritime borders that are currently based on geographical data that are too old to be reliable.
bpiqje3n6wm81.jpg

But Moscow seems intent on redrawing part of what is known as the baseline, the contours of a nation’s coastline, used to calculate how far its territorial waters extend. “The baseline is the legal expression of the coastline and represents the end of a state's land,” explains Thévenin.

Most of the time the baseline is easy enough to trace by following the coastline on foot: the low-water line – the land contour at low tide – defines the baseline of a coastal state.

But the devil is in the details. Article 7 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea says that when the coast is “jagged and indented, or if there is a string of islands along the coast”, a state can create a straight baseline “connecting appropriate points”.

“It is these words that are interpreted differently by Russia and Western countries,” says Thévenin.

In the Arctic region, a diplomatic battle rages around Russia's baseline, which may or may not allow it to control the channels between islands. What is at stake in this battle over maritime borders – in the Arctic and perhaps soon in the Baltic Sea – is who controls these waters.

So it is not just a question of extending Russia's maritime borders at the expense of Lithuania or Finland. Moscow could, for example, incorporate certain Russian islands in the Gulf of Finland such as Hogland, 180km west of St. Petersburg, within its internal waters. The waters between the Russian coast and these islands would then legally form part of Russian territory and be considered internal waters.

1a7f7767-2ce4a7763f3d4a7d8a8f4f0384138002585e0ff514e47c6497ea6aee3d44b25b.jpg

Aquaman: A bigger Ocean, doesnt means a bigger dong little Vlad!
And a country can impose special controls on such internal waters, Mälksoo explains, notably restricting access for boats that do not have authorisation.

“Whatever a country decides, any maritime claims, and any limits a state wants to impose on its internal waters must be in line with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea," he says.

A previous incident involving Russia came after its 2014 annexation of Crimea. Moscow wanted the Kerch Strait, previously shared with Ukraine, to be considered internal Russian waters, allowing it to stop any ship traveling there without its authorisation. This led to a sharp rise in tensions with Ukraine following the seizure of Ukrainian vessels in this area in 2018.
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Legal and geopolitical interest

Russia has more than a purely legal interest in clarifying the baselines of the Baltic Sea. “It's just one in a series of incidents marking a serious escalation of tensions in the region,” notes Rinna Kullaa, a specialist in Russian foreign policy issues at the University of Tampere in Finland.

She says it's no coincidence that the Russian bill was put forward after Finland's decision on Tuesday to propose a law tightening controls along the border with Russia, which has been closed since last year. The Russian initiative is payback, in part.

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And there are other issues at play. “It also comes at a time when Russia is seeking to exert greater control over the airspace above Kaliningrad,” says Kullaa. Moscow has been accused of jamming GPS signals over this Russian enclave between Poland and Lithuania.

For Basil Germond, a specialist in maritime security issues at Lancaster University in the UK, Russia's aim in introducing and withdrawing this bill is to intensify “political pressure in the region, to gauge NATO's response”.

It may also be linked to President Vladimir Putin's fixation with the history of the USSR.

“It's not surprising that the Russian government wants to go back on the maritime limits negotiated in 1985, during the détente period,” notes Jeff Hawn, Russia specialist at the London School of Economics.

“Putin believes that Russia was tricked by the West at that time. So for him, this is also a way of saying that he wants to correct those mistakes.”

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...-maritime-borders-angering-baltic-sea-nations

They only did this to fish Nazis out of those waters.

They have no other intentions, Imperial or otherwise.

Trust Putin.

Vote Trump.

And if you could, re-elect Hitler.

You're on the right team.
 
Senile Putin wants to test weak Briben here...while might STFU.

Putin now is using Russian foreign assets etc reserves in order to fund military orders and indirectly also via infrastructure funding....budget part.
Putin since March 2022 th is repeating one single phrase in Security Council and their parliament called Duma : small (!) special operation is done as had been planned and will be continued.
Putin also had confirmed for Xi that small special operation according to Putin is going as had been planned and will be continued
.....
- Biden is just the talk muppet. I believe they're testing the USA foreign affairs ability.
 
- Biden is just the talk muppet. I believe they're testing the USA foreign affairs ability.
They are testing also EU and what stuff under the table will do ECB .....these countries are eurozone members, not only EU members and....does have western investments, properties and companies owned / co owned by westerners etc stuff and Western countries citizens living in these countries....
 
As much as Russia got utterly embarrassed in the Winter War and the Continuation War they still ultimately won both unfortunately. Hopefully this is just nothing but it looks like part of their increasing alignment with China has them testing their own version of China's wolf warrior diplomacy in the South China Sea.
In winter war anglo saxonians gave 0 fuck about what happens in Finland and Russia had also....vuala....ukr conscripts ( this thing is the really want to get for war vs West) ....for nice winter war.
Continuation war was when....USSR had not only ukr conscripts, also huge support from nice west...in form of weapons, ammunition, explosives, intelligence info and a lot of other stuff. USSR had used equipment provided by Allies in Continuation war and even their own weapons manufactured by using equipment provided by Allies....
Repayment was in 1949 th when Stalin declared that former western Allies are enemies, he needs to have all Berlin and West wants to attack matushka Empire ruled by Georgian g***y ......
 
If about arestantowich fairy tales about Narva.
Holy russians in Narva will run away if Russia will attack and some % of them ....will deNazify invasion forces...
Also Narva hydroelectric power plant is operated by Russia and dam does not have ships locks....even more beauty is that from dam destroying more will suffer Ivangorod ( Russia ) due to flood and dam's remowal even in peace time will not increase shipping capacity in Narva River because HPP is built over waterfalls .....this reality.
Also water supply and waste water treatment in Ivangorod will be impacted if dam will not function normally.
About mayushka russians in Narva does know a lot because before this bullshit it was easy and simple to cross border even by foot ....24/7/365 and they does knows how good living standards are in Ivangorod, also job offered and salaries....yes...from job ads ....and real life.
Putin also by himself had recognized both naval and ground borders with Estonia when papers in 2004 th and 2007 th had been signed again
.....
Before this were papers with Russia in 1921 th and 1990 ies....
 
In winter war anglo saxonians gave 0 fuck about what happens in Finland and Russia had also....vuala....ukr conscripts ( this thing is the really want to get for war vs West) ....for nice winter war.
Continuation war was when....USSR had not only ukr conscripts, also huge support from nice west...in form of weapons, ammunition, explosives, intelligence info and a lot of other stuff. USSR had used equipment provided by Allies in Continuation war and even their own weapons manufactured by using equipment provided by Allies....
Repayment was in 1949 th when Stalin declared that former western Allies are enemies, he needs to have all Berlin and West wants to attack matushka Empire ruled by Georgian g***y ......
Dark times indeed. I still wonder if Mannerheim had taken the arctic railway and cut off British supplies to Stalin how things would have played out. Likely we would have gotten a D-day in Pohjola.
 

Sweden sees Russian threat against big Baltic isle​

‘Shadow tankers’ and maritime border change proposals added to earlier bombing feint make new NATO member nervous
By NATASHA LINDSTAEDT

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Gotland has been a popular holiday destination for decades, but this week Swedish Commander-in-chief Mikael Bydén has claimed that Russian president Vladmir Putin “has his eyes” on the Baltic Sea island.

After Russia on Tuesday published an official document proposing to redefine the maritime borders in the Gulf of Finland, Bydén issued a reminder on Wednesday that Moscow’s ambitions extend much farther into the Baltic than the gulf. Events had already shown Gotland to figure large in those ambitions.

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The draft decree by the Russian defense ministry, which was taken offline on Wednesday without explanation, proposed that Russia revise its borders based on a resolution adopted by the Soviet Union’s council of ministers in 1985 and expand its territorial waters.

Gotland holds a strategically important location in the middle of the Baltic Sea, halfway between the Swedish mainland and Estonia and only 300km from Kalingrad, the main base of Russia’s Baltic fleet.

Sweden’s joining NATO and giving the alliance access to Gotland significantly increased NATO’s ability to deploy and sustain its forces in the Baltic Sea region. This could make a decisive difference in the defense of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland and Poland.

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Because of the island’s strategic importance, for most of the Cold War Sweden maintained a large military presence there. But Gotland was demilitarized in 2005, for the stated purpose of promoting peace and cooperation in the Baltic region.

This gesture of goodwill was immediately tested as Russian men who did not fit the usual Gotland tourist profile began regularly visiting the island.

Then, on March 29, 2013, two Tupolev Tu-22M3 nuclear bombers came within 24 miles of Gotland on dummy bombing runs. Sweden’s part-time air force had the weekend off on account of the Easter holiday, leaving the country wide open to that demonstration of Swedish military weakness and Gotland’s vulnerability to Russia.

After Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, Sweden took significant steps to protect itself, reintroducing 150 permanent troops on the island in 2016. By 2018, Sweden had expanded the number of permanently placed troops to 400, equipping them with CV90 armored vehicles and Leopard 2 tanks. Air defense systems were also reactivated by 2021.

Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 led to additional reinforcements, exercises and investment in Gotland’s defense totaling $160 million. On the island in April 2023, Sweden held its biggest military exercise in 25 years alongside Polish and British troops.
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For Swedish Commander-in-chief Bydén, the reasons for increasing defenses in Gotland are clear. Gotland is both a major strategic asset and a potential liability, and therefore must be protected in order to prevent greater Russian threats from the sea to NATO countries.

Geographical distances in the Baltics are small, and if Russia seized Gotland in a crisis it could dominate the Baltic Sea region. This would make it very difficult for the West to provide reinforcement to the Baltic states by sea or by air.

Sweden is not the only country that is concerned. Lithuania borders both the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad – which itself has become increasingly militarized – and Belarus. Lithuania is concerned that it could be attacked, and would then be physically isolated from the rest of the Baltics.
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When the online document about changing Russian maritime borders was spotted in the West, the Kremlin in usual Moscow fashion denied that it had any plans to do so. But there was no explanation from Russian officials of why the ministry proposal was removed from the government’s portal.

As leaders of the Baltic countries sought clarification, Lithuania warned that this was, at the very least, another Russian intimidation tactic. Estonia’s prime minster, Kaja Kallas, went farther, claiming that Russia is engaging in a “shadow war” with the West.
 

Shadow war in the Baltic​


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@lsa in the navy

Before the border-changing issue resurfaced, the Baltic Sea already was experiencing heightened tensions. Russian ships have stoked hostilities due to their increasingly brazen and careless behavior, breaching maritime rules and sailing old and uninsured oil tankers, which could potentially cause an environmental catastrophe.

Russian shadow tankers – registered and insured outside the G7 countries and used to evade sanctions – have been present in Sweden’s exclusive economic zone off the eastern coast of Gotland, and have loitered off Gotland’s east coast. Russia’s fleet consists of about 1,400 ships that are not officially part of Russia’s army.

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Many of these shadow tankers refuse pilotage, the practice of directing the movement of a ships by using visual or electronic observations, even when navigating Denmark’s narrow Great Belt. It appears they are engaging in forms of brinkmanship.

These provocations all take place just outside the 12 nautical mile limit defining the country’s territorial waters, making it impossible for Sweden to do anything about it as these commercial tankers are not part of Russia’s official navy. The Swedish navy has warned that Russia is likely to be using these oil tankers to engage in sabotage, reconnaissance and espionage.
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Because of these developments, the Swedish prime minister informed citizens in March that they needed to be prepared for war.

In the past, Gotland was a deterrent against Soviet expansion. But Russia today under Putin seems less easily deterred and more risk-acceptant. What’s not clear is if these provocations are part of a Russian psychological war to divide and terrorize the west, or if this is a prelude to an actual war, which certainly would begin if Russia attacked Gotland.
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As Sweden is now a member of NATO, all members must come to Sweden’s defense should it face an attack. On its own, Sweden has a world-class and modern submarine fleet and air force and a technologically advanced defense industrial base.
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Given Sweden’s military capabilities, it’s hard to predict if this is enough to deter conflict with Russia. For now, it seems, Russia is determined to create suspense around its intentions in a region that holds some of NATO’s greatest assets and vulnerabilities. As a result, the Baltic Sea region has become a playground in Russia’s shadow war.

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https://asiatimes.com/2024/05/sweden-sees-russian-threat-against-big-baltic-isle/
 
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Russia is a bunch of dicks who never played nice with their Baltic neighbors.
Goes back to the cold war.

Dont be a dick guys.
 
Russia is a bunch of dicks who never played nice with their Baltic neighbors.
Goes back to the cold war.

Dont be a dick guys.
Cold War had started 4 years ago. Annoying propaganda, hybrid war and boring accusations that west wants to annex Minsk and Russia etc bullshit.
 
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