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Russia Collusion Megathread v.10: one guilty plea, two indictments, one resignation

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computer fogie said:
What would you do if both Trump and the Clintons are charged with crimes? Your whole defense of Team Trump is based on "But what about Hillary?"
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If both Trump and Hillary were found guilty of breaking serious laws, and were both held responsible for their crimes, my faith in government/politics would be 75% restored.

Local government would still be a major issue needed to be tackled with regard to corruption, but you'd be well on your way to cleaning up the mess.

At this point, I put the chances of SA actually reforming a bit ahead of that.



All that being said, it ain't gonna happen.
 
Overpressure said:
Maybe but the accusation looks solid.
Maybe even still.
The republicans have abandoned even the surface appearance of family values.
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i think even if he got convicted of being a child molestor Alabama would still elect him
 
bobgeese said:
Deep down, the major difference is the left thinks everyone is inherently good, that you can fix Terrorists, criminals, etc.... you can't.
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Over half the left is Christian, and Christians believe that we are inherently sinful. The rest of the left, you'll find, has opinions all over the map when it comes to human nature. There isn't anything close to a consensus on that. There are also major differences in opinion on criminal justice concerning rehabilitation, punishment, sentencing, etc. And you're out of line for branding the left as terrorist sympathizers. That's just crude.

Where there is more consensus on the left is the broader idea that if we provide better services for people, especially poor people, and invest in education, decriminalize certain things, and put in some controls on wealth inequality, that outcomes will improve for more people. Not an exhaustive list, those sorts of things.

Your wacky stereotyping stinks of tribal paranoia.
 
Interestingly, Roy is going to stick to his guns and call the women liars with a political agenda.
 
Rational Poster said:
Honestly, if you're still playing this game after what Trump said in the primary about John McCain, and then about a gold star family, and then about women in general, you're basically an asshole and swaying your opinion isn't worth the effort.
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https://www.oathkeepers.org/breakin...969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

Mc-cain recorded a propaganda style message that was broadcast in 1969.

Captured troops are to give name rank and serial number DOB and make no other statements or aid the enemy in any other way. I could see how broadcasting a message goes against his armed forces oaths, which could by argument not make him a hero, but I won't yell 'treason'
 
Rational Poster said:
Honestly, if you're still playing this game after what Trump said in the primary about John McCain, and then about a gold star family, and then about women in general, you're basically an asshole and swaying your opinion isn't worth the effort.
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Tell me more anti-Trumper. A political gold star dad, women in 2005? Therefore he is connected with Russians, great logic. Keep that 2016 L
 
ShadowRun said:
Tell me more anti-Trumper. A political gold star dad, women in 2005? Therefore he is connected with Russians, great logic. Keep that 2016 L
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The point is, we should have never even gotten to the Russian collusion part.
 
Rational Poster said:
You're a piece of shit.
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I don't know the veracity of the tape, honestly don't but IF valid, wouldn't that possibly point to some sort of misconduct? And point to where McCain got his reputation as a songbird over the years?

Now granted McCain was granted reprieve and was to be sent home and denied doing so, that deserves respect. But according to codes he is to follow he isn't to be taking part in propaganda either. You shut up, take your punishment and give them the info you're allowed to; name, rank, number and DoB.

McCain himself says he was no hero, and was a wreckless pilot who got himself shot down, nothing more.

It's all a mixed bag, who knows the truth? I know I don't have all the facts and neither does anybody on an MMA forum.
 
My conclusions so far:

-Manafort and Flynn were filthy dirty.

-Trump may not have known his best people were swamp creatures- but that seems pretty unlikely.

-Mueller may have actually had someone wearing a wire.

-It's frankly bizarre, the number of Trump people with ties to Russia, regardless of what comes of all this.
 
Overpressure said:
My conclusions so far:

-Manafort and Flynn were filthy dirty.

-Trump may not have known his best people were swamp creatures- but that seems pretty unlikely.

-Mueller may have actually had someone wearing a wire.

-It's frankly bizarre, the number of Trump people with ties to Russia, regardless of what comes of all this.
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Except Manafort is being charged for his dirty deeds during his years with the PG.

And Flynn looks to be being investigated because of shit to do with Turkey.

So the Russian connection is meh
 
At a news conference in Vietnam, Trump distanced himself from remarks he made on Saturday in which he suggested he believed Putin when he said there had been no Russian meddling in the election that took him to the White House.

“As to whether I believe it or not, I’m with our agencies, especially as currently constituted,” Trump said at a news conference with Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang.

“As currently led, by fine people, I believe very much in our intelligence agencies.”
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...on-putin-over-election-meddling-idUSKBN1DC031

So yesterday he says he believes Putin completely and not the political hacks Brennan, Comey and Clapper. Now he says he believes "our acengies, especially as currently constituted" meaning of course with Coats, Pompeo and Wray - Trump's choices. HOWEVER Pompeo, Coats and Wray have all said unequivocally that Russia meddled in the elections - say exactly what Brennan, Comey and Clapper said. The respective agency leaders still have the same 99.9% workforce under them and they all found the same findings.

And these Trump nominated heads have been on record for months saying the exact same thing as their Obama nominated predecessors. So Trump disbelieved them over Putin publicly yesterday - what changed between yesterday and today? The findings and beliefs of the CIA, DNI, and FBI didn't change overnight. They still find Russia meddled - Trump stated unequivocally yesterday he believes Putin over American Intelligence Agencies.

So which one is it?

Edit to add a refresher to what "his guys" in the intel community have been saying about this for many months now -

I am confident that the Russians meddled in this election, as is the entire intelligence community," CIA Director Mike Pompeo said Thursday, with a note of agitation in his voice in the face of skeptical questioning. "This threat is real. The U.S. government, including the Central Intelligence Agency, has to figure out a way to fight back against it and defeat it. And we're intent upon doing that."

Asked if Russia meddled in the election, Thomas Bossert, Trump’s counterterrorism and cyber adviser, responded, "There is a pretty clear and easy answer to that and that is yes.”

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, also at the Aspen gathering, said Wednesday that he, too, saw it that way.
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ShoelessRye said:
At a news conference in Vietnam, Trump distanced himself from remarks he made on Saturday in which he suggested he believed Putin when he said there had been no Russian meddling in the election that took him to the White House.

“As to whether I believe it or not, I’m with our agencies, especially as currently constituted,” Trump said at a news conference with Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang.

“As currently led, by fine people, I believe very much in our intelligence agencies.”
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...on-putin-over-election-meddling-idUSKBN1DC031

So yesterday he says he believes Putin completely and not the political hacks Brennan, Comey and Clapper. Now he says he believes "our acengies, especially as currently constituted" meaning of course with Coats, Pompeo and Wray - Trump's choices. HOWEVER Pompeo, Coats and Wray have all said unequivocally that Russia meddled in the elections - say exactly what Brennan, Comey and Clapper said. The respective agency leaders still have the same 99.9% workforce under them and they all found the same findings.

And these Trump nominated heads have been on record for months saying the exact same thing as their Obama nominated predecessors. So Trump disbelieved them over Putin publicly yesterday - what changed between yesterday and today? The findings and beliefs of the CIA, DNI, and FBI didn't change overnight. They still find Russia meddled - Trump stated unequivocally yesterday he believes Putin over American Intelligence Agencies.

So which one is it?

Edit to add a refresher to what "his guys" in the intel community have been saying about this for many months now -

I am confident that the Russians meddled in this election, as is the entire intelligence community," CIA Director Mike Pompeo said Thursday, with a note of agitation in his voice in the face of skeptical questioning. "This threat is real. The U.S. government, including the Central Intelligence Agency, has to figure out a way to fight back against it and defeat it. And we're intent upon doing that."

Asked if Russia meddled in the election, Thomas Bossert, Trump’s counterterrorism and cyber adviser, responded, "There is a pretty clear and easy answer to that and that is yes.”

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, also at the Aspen gathering, said Wednesday that he, too, saw it that way.
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Trump Supporters...

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Lol

72 pages of essentially nothing but a bunch of dudes jerking each other off.

As if saying something enough will make it true. When this thread reaches 200 pages(and it will) nothing will have changed.
 
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