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You're a real "glass half full" kinda guy, aren't you?
You're a real "glass half full" kinda guy, aren't you?
so, when frankie came to the conclusion that in a real camp scenario it is the coaches responsibility to make sure the fighter makes weight(again, it's not), but tuf is a not a normal scenario so it's not exactly the coaches responsibility to make sure the fighters make weight, why did you respond like this.
so what exactly in frankie's post did you have a problem with?
The part where he said its not a real camp. Its a real camp. That's it. That was the point of my response. You can keep trying to stretch it to make it look contradictory to what I said about Tate, but that's just you slobbing all over my nuts and being petty. You also can keep typing "its not" in regards to whether or not its a coach's responsibility to help a fighter make weight, but that' doesn't make your repeated decree correct. Miesha took responsibility so she obviously disagrees with you. So once again, my position is clear: a coach as responsibility to help their fighter make weight. Tate to the fullest extent she was capable fulfilled her duties as a coach. You should really let it go now. I know you won't, and will try to find some other convoluted way of over-analyzing what I posted, but that's just free advice.
I'm not going to go back and watch the catty nonsense again, but didn't think she was blaming Tate so much as she was saying that Tate should have taken the blame from Dana. I.e., that Tate should have said it was her fault, not that it was actually Tate's fault.
let me get this clear then. so, it's only the coaches responsibility to help the fighter make weight in the water cutting phase? like miesha did here? as you said "Tate to the fullest extent she was capable fulfilled her duties as a coach."
so, when frankie came to the conclusion that in a real camp scenario it is the coaches responsibility to make sure the fighter makes weight(again, it's not), but tuf is a not a normal scenario so it's not exactly the coaches responsibility to make sure the fighters make weight, why did you respond like this.
so what exactly in frankie's post did you have a problem with?
My point for the thread was
Is it a coaches responsibility or not?
& early on that was answered by a lot (before the WK's came in talking about Tate's hair lol)
Also Tate did take some responsibility in the meeting with Dana, first words were "I am sorry" & Dana then took the blame off her
She also never called Cody "pathetic", but said the situation was
I certainly can see some thinking she "threw him under the bus", but it was not the way RR described it, IMO
Edit: What I am taking away from this thread & the valued opinions of those without an agenda, is in a real camp it is part of the coaches responsibility. This is not a real camp though & as much as there are "teams" it is every fighter for himself.
A fighter asked to coach a 6 week camp on one day's notice should not be responsible as a babysitter too
So in other words you agree with the "valued opinions" that conclude in a real camp its a part of the coaches responsibility, but decided for yourself its not a real camp because its TUF, even though it is a real camp because its TUF. Seems legit.
Sure Meisha may have needed to monitor her fighters weigh closer to make sure the weight was being cut earlier if he was that high, but in the end she can't make him cut it early or later. Honestly, my biggest issue with it isn't that Ronda blamed Meisha for the weight issue, as much as, it is she made it a point to make sure she told her team "Meisha threw Cody under the bus." No she didn't she said she tried to get him to make the cut and was disappointed he didn't try. Cody said he mental broke, and Dana said it was Cody fault. Only Ronda felt the need to make it seem like Meisha is selling her own fighters out and talking bad about them. I don't see any reason she needs to go out of her way to try and get her team to have a bad image of how Meisha treats her team or any fighters. Let them experience things and come up with their own decision about Meisha rather than implanting that type of skewed information into their minds. If Ronda wants to talk random crap about her and Meisha's relationship that's fine, but don't try to make others think Meisha is some type of evil two faced person towards the fighters she's trains or other fighter in general.
Yes, similar issue of Ronda making a bigger issue out of things in order to make Meisha into something more than what the matter should have been about. I think that Ronda's way of trying to get her team fired up and mad hoping they take that into the cage with them in the fight. In my view its a weak way of creating that energy and in most cases its not working for the team. Her fighters are worried about winning their fights not worried about the feud. But in terms or creating an skewed image of Meisha this may be worse in terms a person who doesn't know much about Meisha in the fact that Ronda was trying to say Meisha isn't even respecting even her own team members. Which adds some trust issue into the equation. I go no problem with her throwing a "I hate Meisha fit" about random things, but don't make something more out of things to make others think she not even loyal or even respectful to those on her team or even the other contestants on the show. I hope some of the fighters on Ronda's team are a little more open minded than that.
Do you agree or not?
I don't think Miesha can be blamed for that. She was obviously with him & trying & giving him support.
When it was obvious to her that he gave up, she was rightfully pissed off.
But I am not a MMA fighter like some are on here, so I am curious if they agree with RR or not.
Try & leave the RR or Tate hate out of this (if possible) -
The part where he said its not a real camp. Its a real camp. That's it. That was the point of my response. You can keep trying to stretch it to make it look contradictory to what I said about Tate, but that's just you slobbing all over my nuts and being petty. You also can keep typing "its not" in regards to whether or not its a coach's responsibility to help a fighter make weight, but that' doesn't make your repeated decree correct. Miesha took responsibility so she obviously disagrees with you. So once again, my position is clear: a coach as responsibility to help their fighter make weight. Tate to the fullest extent she was capable fulfilled her duties as a coach. You should really let it go now. I know you won't, and will try to find some other convoluted way of over-analyzing what I posted, but that's just free advice.
it's not a real camp imo, so different from what a real camp would be like.
I will attempt to clear this up...
Frankie's earlier post:
apostle's initial post:
I think I see why he was so snarky in his initial post in this string. Beyond his little attitude problem, he just thought that Frankie was saying that people in the threat had reported their valued opinions that in a real camp there is responsibility for the coach to ensure that a fighter makes weight. Fine so far. However, our intrepid apostle apparently thought that the next sentence had nothing to do with said valued opinions and was instead just Frankie reporting his own ("unvalued) opinion in addition to the majority opinion and tacking it on as if that also made his conclusion the majority one.
In apostle's mind:
1 - People say in a normal camp there is a responsibility for a coach to ensure a fighter makes weight.
2 - I (Frankie) think this is not a normal camp (or not a "real camp").
3
if he only disagreed with frankies conclusion that TUF isn't a regular camp why would he phrase his response like this?So in other words you agree with the "valued opinions" that conclude in a real camp its a part of the coaches responsibility, but decided for yourself its not a real camp because its TUF, even though it is a real camp because its TUF. Seems legit.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I thought it was funny that (as edited) Tate and Carraway begged Cody to try and he said no, then Raquel sat down for two seconds and he was immediately back in the tub.
That was because he drank whatever he drank before Raquel told him not to give up.
To me after he drank whatever he drank he felt the relief he needed and decided to save some face by "trying again" even though he knew it was over once he drank whatever he drank.
this is what happens when you try to give apostle the benefit ofthe doubt wayweary. more BS
he's completely back pedalling from his original passive aggressive dig at miesha.
if he only disagreed with frankies conclusion that TUF isn't a regular camp why would he phrase his response like this?
in other words "yeah, miesha is not at fault here...but, it is technically one of the coaches responsibility to make sure the fighters makes weight. and miesha is the head coach...just saying"
LOL, yeah I am giving up on trying to understand why he does the things he does. Ego, I guess but maybe it is some combination of mental lapses. Whatevs.
WTF? You're trying too hard. Should have known.
No, what I'm saying is again, in the general sense, its a coach's responsibility to help their fighter make weight. That's it. There is nothing more nuanced in it than that. A coach is paid to monitor a fighter's preparation for a fight for the full camp. Again, they're not TOTALLY responsible, as they are grown adults and its on them not to quit and its on them to do what they're told. Cody quit. So what I mean in regards to Tate: she gave advice, she coached, she had a plan, she had a policy, she had a program, she had a structure as to how he was to go about cutting the weight, and she stood beside him to help him every step of the way. But he quit. The quitting is not on Tate. If he tried and tried and tried and couldn't make weight and received no support from his coach, than yes, I feel, as most with common sense would, that his coach failed him and her responsibility. That's not what happened.