Royce Gracie on UK fighters

[Rod1]

US is ahead of the UK because the US produces tons of great college wrestlers who leave their wrestling careers at their prime.

UK only has great Judo, but by the time they leave judo they are on their thirties and injury-ridden.

Royce is being Royce, a dickhead. While Rorion and co made BJJ possible in the scale that its today they keep spewing a lot of bullcrap.

And no, Rorion didnt made MMA popular Dana White made it. So, yes, incidentally Rorion made MMA happen faster than it would otherwise.

And those who say that Royce talks about BJJ champs, well, the official stance of his camp is that sport BJJ is a bastardization with no application for real life and that doesnt follows his father's vision Gracie Academy

 

[lechien]

Dude! Honestly, by your post and your nonsense question:

It was clear that it was just hating on Royce and Rorion. What does that have to do with him saying the truth, that the UK is behind the U.S. in ground fighting because they went to America first? This is why the U.S. is ahead. If Rorion had gone to the UK in 1978 instead of the U.S. the UK would be ahead. What does that have to do with how many champions Rorion or Royce made? It's clear for anybody who follows BJJ how much of a damn Rorion or even Royce give to sports BJJ and chasing advantages.
I tell you why you said that. Just to hate. This is the trend. Hate on Gracies. Truth is all your BJJ coaches wouldn't be there if wasn't for the Gracies. If they are American they wouldn't know BJJ. If they are Brazilian they would still be in Brazil. Now that they showed the way, the mass has all immigrated to the U.S. and the world to make their money. But it's wrong for Rorion to make his money. Funny how that goes.
I disagree with Rorion's marketing tactics and with giving blue belts with video tests as much as the next guy, but credit needs to be given where it's due. Rorion's vision to bring BJJ out of Brazil is responsable for the BJJ boom worldwide. Rorion's vision to create the UFC is responsable for what would become MMA. And please spare from the Carley Gracie talk. He has done nothing for BJJ.
Would somebody else have done it if Rorion hand't? Maybe. Maybe at a much later date. But he was the one who did it and credit is due.
Royce is right. The U.S. is ahead because they went there first. This is what he meant and this is the truth!

P.S. I do not train at the Gracie academy or any of it's affiliates. I don not agree that BJJ should be trained for self-defense only. I'm not a member of Gracie University.
But just because I don't agree with some of their philosophies doesn't mean I have to hate on them or not give them the credit they have earned. BJJ is international because of Rorion, because of Royce, because of the Gracie family and they will remind you of that at any chance they get. Maybe more so because the world is trying to "forget" or ignore or even change that. This Gracie hate trend is ridiculous.

Like I said, I just asked Gannas if Rorion or Royce ever made a World Champ when Gannas suggested that there are no Euro World champ.

It is what it is!

Not sure why you over-analysing my every post.

But thanks for your massive irrelevant post.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

this man thinks you're an idiot

facts > opinions.

therefore...

you are the idiot.

 

[deev]

facts > opinions.

therefore...

you are the idiot.

you said the UK is way behind in any type of grappling there is, which brings Judo into things, a grappling art at which the UK has a rich history. The guy in the picture I posted is Niel Adams, just one of the world champions the country has produced.

Then again, you probably think BJJ invented grappling or something.

 

[Bullheaded]

you said the UK is way behind in any type of grappling there is, which brings Judo into things, a grappling art at which the UK has a rich history. The guy in the picture I posted is Niel Adams, just one of the world champions the country has produced.

Then again, you probably think BJJ invented grappling or something.

Yep, probably one of the greatest judokas on the ground. He'd be very interesting to watch in an BJJ type of rules match.

 

[MickCollins]

The US is ahead of the UK because the unified rules were put in to help american college wrestlers. As someone on MMA.Tv pointed out, the Unified Rules were put into the UFC when Tito Ortiz was the #1 draw and Dana White was his agent/manager. The UFC then went out and recruited a ton of ex-college wrestlers to fight in the UFC. Never realized that before.

As long as the rules benefit lay and pray,stalling and fighting for decisions, foreign fighters will always be behind. Part of it is the mindset. American college wrestlers fight for points. To get popular enough to appeal to the UFC, a foreign fighter has to be exciting and fight for finishes. As to what Royce said….he doesn’t seem very bright to me. I bet if he had a ton of affiliates in Britain, his tone would be different. But it seems Britain’s BJJ scene is GB,Roger,Carlson’s, etc...

 

[Rod1]

facts > opinions.

therefore...

you are the idiot.

Tsk, tsk

Fact, Neil Adams won the Worlds Judo in 1981 with a cross armbar



As pointed out Americans win at UFC because of wrestling, not because of Royce or Rorion, the hell, how many UFC champs can trace their lineage to the Humaita camp?

 

[J Sho]

As a Brit i would have to agree with this, you could even go as far as to say its even younger.

I would love to know the statistics on how many UK BBs are not from Brazillian lineage.

Based on the list I have not many in terms of whether the person who promoted them was Brazilian or not and non of those promoting instructors is UK resident:

Darren Currie (Chris Haueter-07/2009)
Eddie Kone (Royler Gracie/David Adiv-06/2008)
Helen Currie (Chris Haueter-05/2007)
Karl Tanswell (Matt Thornton-07/2007)
Paul Rimmer (Chris Brennan-30/04/2011)
Philip Yeomans (Takamasa Watanabe-??/??)
Ryan Hunter (Chris Haueter-2/11/2010)

Others:
Abel Martinez (Walmir Netto and Marco Canha-03/04/2010)
Andy Roberts (Roger Gracie-05/03/2011)
Barnaby Gorton (Wilson 'Junior' Cretaro / Carlson Gracie Jr - 04/12/2010)
Ben Poppleton (Carlos Gracie Jr.-2005)
Chiu Kwong Man (Braulio Estima - 04/01/2010)
Colin Robinson (Lucio "Lagarto" Rodrigues-05/03/2011)
Dave Coles (Braulio Estima - 07/08/2010)
Dave Elliott (Mauricio Motta Gomes-01/2009)
Dave Lucas (Reyson Gracie / Franco Vacirca-05/2009)
David Onuma (Ricardo Vieira/Rodrigo Cabral-30/01/2010)
Dickie Martin (Wilson 'Junior' Cretaro-05/2008)
Doug Mcmaster (De La Riva-11/02/2010)
Eamonn Madden (Jose Henrique 'Leao' Teixeira Filho/Felipe Souza-19/06/2010)
Jamie Walsh (JJ Machado-04/2006)
John Goldson (Lucio "Lagarto" Rodrigues-05/03/2011)
Jude Samuel (Mauricio Motta Gomes-10/2005)
Kevin Chan (Mauricio Motta Gomes-02/2008)
Kevin Webb (Braulio Estima - 19th Dec 2010)
Lee Livingstone (Romero 'Jacare' Cavalcanti-, 26/05/2011)
Marc Walder (Mauricio Motta Gomes-10/2005)
Mark Stables (Marcus Soares -06/2008)
Michael Russell (Rodrigo Freis & Luiz Fernando-06/2010)
Neil Owen (Renato Migliaccio-11/2008)
Neil White (Renato Migliaccio-19/01/2010)
Nicholas Brooks (Roger Gracie-31/10/2009)
Paul Bridges (Mauricio Motta Gomes-01/2009)
Paul Hartley (Lucio 'Lagarto' Rodrigues - 01/2011)
Ray Stevens (Roger Gracie - 04/2008)
Rick Young (Mauricio Motta Gomes-10/2005)
Scott Goddard (Rigan Machado-06/2003)
Simon Hayes (Wilson 'Junior' Cretaro-04/2008)
Steve Campbell (Carlos Gracie Jr.-2007)
Steve Cowan (Jose 'Ze' Marcello - 10-10-09)
Steve Haydock (Roberto de Moraes 'Risada' Atalla-10/2007)
Tim Radcliffe (Ricardo da Silva/Fabio Gomes
Walid Tadjouri (Wilson 'Junior' Cretaro - 12/12/09)

Worth noting that Paul Bridges and Dave Elliott are both Mark Walder's students but they were promoted by Mauricio so they would be the only British resident Black Belts whose instructor was also a Brit.