Movies ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY v.2 ( Dragonlord's Review)

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[Tamriel Terror]

I definitely didn't connect to the main characters of Rogue One. The ending scene of them sitting on the beach about to die was supposed to make me feel sad i guess? But i honestly just didn't care for either main character as like others have said, were just bland and boring.

The space fighting scene and the overall darker tone were great (wish it would've been even darker) and Vader was great at the end scene, but the overall character development was lacking.

Its tough to compare this to TFA since TFA is literally just A New Hope with no originality. I enjoyed TFA but my god Finn was the new Jar Jar, he is utterly pointless, and the movie took zero risk, not to mention Kylo Ren completely lost any sense of mystique and power.

Overall its hard to assess which one I liked more as they both had a lot of issues. I hope episode VII takes some risk and hope they try to salvage a broken Ren.

And as for the next spinoff movie which is probably gonna be a Han Solo movie...please god no. I have zero interest in him. Hes just an added character and hes just as overrated as Fett. Give me another dark star wars movie based with the ancient sith vs jedi or a Vader movie.

 

[Psychedelic]

I definitely didn't connect to the main characters of Rogue One. The ending scene of them sitting on the beach about to die was supposed to make me feel sad i guess? But i honestly just didn't care for either main character as like others have said, were just bland and boring.

The space fighting scene and the overall darker tone were great (wish it would've been even darker) and Vader was great at the end scene, but the overall character development was lacking.

Its tough to compare this to TFA since TFA is literally just A New Hope with no originality. I enjoyed TFA but my god Finn was the new Jar Jar, he is utterly pointless, and the movie took zero risk, not to mention Kylo Ren completely lost any sense of mystique and power.

Overall its hard to assess which one I liked more as they both had a lot of issues. I hope episode VII takes some risk and hope they try to salvage a broken Ren.

And as for the next spinoff movie which is probably gonna be a Han Solo movie...please god no. I have zero interest in him. Hes just an added character and hes just as overrated as Fett. Give me another dark star wars movie based with the ancient sith vs jedi or a Vader movie.

You had me until you started hating on Fett.

Fett is fucking awesome. Robotic gunslinger mercenary. I'd watch Jango or Boba Fett's adventures all day, every day. Going solo into a compound full of stormtroppers and wrecking shit. Going into unholy dens of decadence across the galaxy, kicking ass and taking names.

 

[Psychedelic]

The story of how they got the plans to the death star is moot, we know cause of A New Hope that they got them so whatever...so this movie simply had to tell an action/war movie set in the Star Wars Universe that really got us to care about the characters and the sacrifice they made to save the galaxy....the problem is...they had a plot with Ben Mendolson trying to not get "Big-saladed" by Moff Tarkin, absolutely pointless shit with Forest Whitaker, and a colossally underused Mads Mikkelson as an Imperial Science Officer.

So later in this post you hate on the movie for not being dark enough, yet you seemingly couldn't handle Forrest torturing the pilot. It shows you the darker side of his character, and it was fucking brilliant. Not pointless at all.

It was a common motif in the movie, and the rebel fighters including the lead looked like dudes who have done some nasty shit. Brilliantly captures how battle-hardened fighters are supposed to be.

 

[Psychedelic]

I'm a big fan of the original trilogy, was disappointed by the prequels although I kind of dig Episode 1. I didn't enjoy The Force Awakens at all. Absolutely hated Kylo Ren. I couldn't take him seriously.

Rogue One brought back a fascist regime led by intelligent and devious old men, cut down the self righteousness and gave us a bunch of gritty as fuck protagonists, and antagonists led by Darth motherfucking Vader plowing through a bunch of rebel fighters and leaving a trail of bodies behind him.

 

[Tamriel Terror]

I'm a big fan of the original trilogy, was disappointed by the prequels although I kind of dig Episode 1. I didn't enjoy The Force Awakens at all. Absolutely hated Kylo Ren. I couldn't take him seriously.

Rogue One brought back a fascist regime led by intelligent and devious old men, cut down the self righteousness and gave us a bunch of gritty as fuck protagonists led by Darth motherfucking Vader plowing through a bunch of rebel fighters and leaving a trail of bodies behind him.

The force awakens just took no risk at all and had an emotional can trying to live up to Darth Vader. Not to mention they already showed Ren losing

 

[Psychedelic]

The force awakens just took no risk at all and had an emotional can trying to live up to Darth Vader. Not to mention they already showed Ren losing

Killer av, btw. Got a gif of the full thing ?

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Ok i've mulled it over and discussed the movie with the wife over and over since we left theatre several hours ago...

I'm thoroughly dissappointed with this movie.

at two and a half hours this movie is boring, bloated and held together by pieces of fan service and action schlock for the Star Wars neckbeards who just come for the lasers and shit.

tons of spoilers ahead dont read if you havent seen it

PLOT:

The story of how they got the plans to the death star is moot, we know cause of A New Hope that they got them so whatever...so this movie simply had to tell an action/war movie set in the Star Wars Universe that really got us to care about the characters and the sacrifice they made to save the galaxy....the problem is...they had a plot with Ben Mendolson trying to not get "Big-saladed" by Moff Tarkin, absolutely pointless shit with Forest Whitaker, and a colossally underused Mads Mikkelson as an Imperial Science Officer. The very straightforward plot of "Rebels get the plans of the death star that sets the stage for A New Hope." This could have been refined so much better, instead of having us visit 6 planets just to have a bunch of fan-service moments like "hey its this guy!" "Hey its that thing from the cantina!" "hey its this!" ...it was wayyyy overindulgent.

CGI Characters:

Why Was Grand Moff Tarkin an antagonist to our films antagonist? Like....why do we need Ben Mendolhsons power questioned by a character we already know dies? Frankly all you had to do was cut out Tarkins role ENTIRELY and just have Krennic die, and a scene where Vader is like congratulations Tarkin, you are the commander of this battlestation now... but instead we get more bloated story for the sake of fanservice. and it was distracting.

Tarkins CGI wasnt TOO bad if im being honest, there were times where it was pretty obvious they were altering Krennics face to make Tarkins not stand out so bad...

Then the director chooses to straight up RE-USE footage from A New Hopes Red and Gold leader for the sake of "hey look its those guys!" I get that they're establishing this movie takes placel ike 15 minutes before the original a New Hope, but it just took me out of the movie

Princess Leia...gotta plut EVERYTHING that was in A New Hope to this movie....right?!

ACTING:

-Forest Whitaker and Donnie Yen were fucking awful. It isn't Star Wars without shit acting, but it felt like Whitaker lost a bet or something, and then his character just stopping his fight and giving up to die was absolutely retarded. Like why have him in this movie at all if he was just going to roll over and die at the first speedbump? some extremist he is.

-Donnie Yens character was cool! A blind monk who had one scene that was fucking awesome and totally different than any other Star Wars scene, but then he doesnt ever do it again? like WHY? he just runs around like he somehow got blind...er while on Scarif. It was like the writers were like "oh we need to give him something to do in the final battle cause he's useless otherwise"

-Riz Ahmeds character didnt feel fleshed out but he did alright

-Felicity Jones had the acting chops of a paper bag. No emotion whatsoever, her speeches to the rebel alliance were so flat, and her seen with her

Spoiler

dying dad

was laughable

-Luna and Tudyk did well with what they were given, Tudyks character ironically was the most fleshed out despite being a robot hahah

- I burst out laughing during the Rebel Alliance meeting when the random off-screen person screamed "WHAT IS SHE PROPOSING!?" like...a professional director thought that was a good take. And on that note there was some other voice over dialogue that actually felt like bad takes

CHARACTERS:

The characters in this movie are fucking BORING, I'm shocked people are saying this is the BEST Star Wars movie. Like if you ignore the fan-service and nostalgia and focus JUST on the characters and dialogue, its a BAD fucking movie. Jyn Erso is probably the weakest character to lead a movie I've ever seen. We get the opening and like a 20 second dream sequence to establish her character and then shes emotionless the entire movie.

Diego Lunas character had the MOST promise in the movie, when he kills his intel guy and escapes i was like oh shit..we got a lead with a bad streak this is great. but then he's just as dull and boring as Jyn for the rest of the movie....even when the movie makes him dress like Han Solo in ROTJ it doesnt make up for the fact that the writers just decide to not flesh out who he is.

K2 was dope he was much needed comic relief, but he didnt ever impede the tone of the film with his very cut and dry matter-of-fact statements

Darth Vader wasn't necesarry to this movie, neither was Tarkin, R2D2, C3P0, Princess Leia, ....too bad Disney doesnt have faith that they can sell a Star Wars movie without throwing in everything from the original series into this...

TONE:

I like that Gareth Edwards went for a darker story here but tonally the movies last 10 minutes probably pissed me off more than any movie has before. Its all over the fucking map.

We get the sad tragedy of all our leads that we (apparently) care about dying to get the death star plans to the Rebel Alliance, then the uplifting "were going to die but we at least gave the alliance some hope!"

Then we move from uplifting to ultra dark where we have to get a scene of Darth Vader running train on a bunch of nobodies we dont care about (neckbeard fanboy service)
Then when they get the plans on the cruiser we get this abrupt, AWFUL tonal shift to uplifting again where we (for some reason) get Princess Leia saying the word Hope (the 30th time in the movie by my count) and then it ends immediately.

The ending just felt so rushed that changing the tone 3 times in 5 minutes was just way too much. I cant be the only one to think this...

FAN SERVICE:

Fan service is ok, in my opinion Force Awakens had a tolerable amount...even if plot beats were ripped straight from the original series...this movie was like overindulgent on the "A New Hope" references, even in dialogue. Like I still can't believe how many times the words "we need hope" were said

ACTION:

In my opinion the space dogfighting scenes were the best part of the movie, the ground battles between the non-fleshed out rebels and stormtroopers becmae increidbly boring to me VERY quickly. The novelty of them fighiting among jungle/palm trees wore off super quick.

Donnie Yens staff fighting was great, and the extremist guerilla fighting was pretty gritty/awesome.

But ya seriously that space dogfight scene was fantastic, i would've preferred that over the hour long beach battle

RESHOOTS:

Was anyone else annoyed that some of the best aesthetic looking shots from the trailer were cut out of this movie?



I think this movie had promise, and it was nice to see them trying something different, but a 2.5 hour movie should at least give us decent characters to follow and feel with. TFA gave us 3 great new characters in Finn/Rey/Poe and Kylo Ren.... In 20 years im not going to be going "man I really loved Jyn Erso and her band of heroes!"

Gareth Edwards sure made a great looking movie, but cutting back on the fan-service and maybe refining the story to give it more tension would've really enhanced the experience for the non-neckbeard-fanboys-just-here-for-the-lasers


6/10

I feel the same way about pretty much everything that you said here. Good review.

And fucking LOL! at Krennic being "big saladed" by Tarkin. One of the best Seinfeld references I've ever come across. Well fucking done!

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[iThrillhouse]

So later in this post you hate on the movie for not being dark enough, yet you seemingly couldn't handle Forrest torturing the pilot. It shows you the darker side of his character, and it was fucking brilliant. Not pointless at all.

It was a common motif in the movie, and the rebel fighters including the lead looked like dudes who have done some nasty shit. Brilliantly captures how battle-hardened fighters are supposed to be.

Please, that scene had me laughing. "My giant fat tentacle monster is going to feel the truth out of you! and you may lose.... your miiinndddd!!!" DUN DUN DUN!

I wouldn't even consider that the dark side....the pilot lived? he didnt lose his mind lol or even come close....

you know what ACTUALLY looked like torture in Star Wars? that robot being stretched apart and electrocuted as it screamed, or the other robot having his feet burned as it screamed... this was just a fucking joke

When Forest Whitakers character inexplicably just gives up his extremist fight and just rolls over and dies and Riz Ahmed's brain is totally fine (they dont even augment the character to reflect the brain "torture" he went through) you have to ask yourself... "if the point of all this was to get Jyn to see a hologram that only the PILOT had, why was Forest Whittaker needed at all if he was just simply going to die and have ZERO interaction with anyone else in the movie?"

its bad writing. it does not brilliantly capture shit. someone at Disney wanted to hit the african american market and decided to write a bunch of pointless shit for Forrest to ham it up in. and he dies by just giving up like a bitch. imagine Bin Laden (a well known extremist) just came out of his cave and was like..."i give up the fight, someone else do it"

same thing with the two chinese guys, after doing cool stuff in one scene they pretty much dont do anything of value besides flip a switch...they're there to hit the chinese market. and both those characters aside from Donnie Yen who dies "accomplishing something" you have the other guy dying basically so the writers can have everyone we recognize die to stress the "tension"

again....this movie is not brilliant, its lazy/ineffective writing masked by lasers and nostalgia to make you think its a brilliant piece of art-film

 

[iThrillhouse]

Also the title screen that popped up after the open that said "ROGUE ONE" with the modified music. that title was really poorly done. the font was just really bad.

 

[copyandpasteguy]

I scored it as a 6. The action sequences and drama at the end were great, but the first hour of the movie was confusing, boring, not well put together. Mixed bag for sure.

 

[Psychedelic]

Please, that scene had me laughing. "My giant fat tentacle monster is going to feel the truth out of you! and you may lose.... your miiinndddd!!!" DUN DUN DUN!

I wouldn't even consider that the dark side....the pilot lived? he didnt lose his mind lol or even come close....

you know what ACTUALLY looked like torture in Star Wars? that robot being stretched apart and electrocuted as it screamed, or the other robot having his feet burned as it screamed... this was just a fucking joke

When Forest Whitakers character inexplicably just gives up his extremist fight and just rolls over and dies and Riz Ahmed's brain is totally fine (they dont even augment the character to reflect the brain "torture" he went through) you have to ask yourself... "if the point of all this was to get Jyn to see a hologram that only the PILOT had, why was Forest Whittaker needed at all if he was just simply going to die and have ZERO interaction with anyone else in the movie?"

its bad writing. it does not brilliantly capture shit. someone at Disney wanted to hit the african american market and decided to write a bunch of pointless shit for Forrest to ham it up in. and he dies by just giving up like a bitch. imagine Bin Laden (a well known extremist) just came out of his cave and was like..."i give up the fight, someone else do it"

same thing with the two chinese guys, after doing cool stuff in one scene they pretty much dont do anything of value besides flip a switch...they're there to hit the chinese market. and both those characters aside from Donnie Yen who dies "accomplishing something" you have the other guy dying basically so the writers can have everyone we recognize die to stress the "tension"

again....this movie is not brilliant, its lazy/ineffective writing masked by lasers and nostalgia to make you think its a brilliant piece of art-film

Well yes I could feel the PC vibe about the film and its choice of actors, but it doesn't make the movie less enjoyable. I had fun watching the film and will not be nitpicky about it. Maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

 

[iThrillhouse]

Well yes I could feel the PC vibe about the film and its choice of actors, but it doesn't make the movie less enjoyable. I had fun watching the film and will not be nitpicky about it. Maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

After DLs review and some friends comments I went in with zero expectations, I didnt have high hopes or anything, I went in with a total blank slate and came out thoroughly dissappointed! Glad you had fun though!

I really think the 6 year old me would've loved this movie, id be building beach battles with my lego and having everyone dying 1 by 1, so I am dissappointed that this wasn't released when I was young and naiive

 

[highkicknomore]

After DLs review and some friends comments I went in with zero expectations, I didnt have high hopes or anything, I went in with a total blank slate and came out thoroughly dissappointed! Glad you had fun though!

I really think the 6 year old me would've loved this movie, id be building beach battles with my lego and having everyone dying 1 by 1, so I am dissappointed that this wasn't released when I was young and naiive

To each his own. Didn't expect much from it and surprisingly enjoyed it.

 

[Bob Gray]

The force awakens just took no risk at all and had an emotional can trying to live up to Darth Vader. Not to mention they already showed Ren losing

But the whole point is he's going to have an arc and they're building him as a character over a trilogy. They didn't do that with Vader whose character beats are pretty arbitrary and dependant on what the script tells him to do as opposed to being a fully fleshed out character who makes choices based on who he is.

I mean, on one hand people complain that the characters are one dimensional, and then when they give the villain depth and lay the ground work for a storyline over 3 movies, there's criticism that he isn't a ready made uber villain like Vader or Maul.

 

[Strange King]

Yeah i get that Finns character decisions are cringeworthy or dumb or whatever, but at least its attributable to him being a useless coward stormtrooper janitor...


I think im dissappointed that they set Casian Andor up to be a total wildcard character but then just set him and the rest of the dirty dozen as "additional generic rebel"

Also they had Casians arc of being a wildcard over with in the first hour acter he decides to not kill Galen urso so he doesnt have much to do character adc wise for the rest of the movie.

But yeah there still is a tremendous amount of cringeworthy shit in Rogue One, probably not as much as TFA, !but I can honestly say Rogue One made me burdt iut laughing more than any other Star Wars movie...and it wasnt cause of the jokes ...

Forest Whittaker taking his mask off his chest and taking a big whiff had the most ridiculous over the top music queue and i thought i was gonna piss myself from laughing at how stupid it was

The Star Wars series had Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman arguing over who loved each other more and both still were better performers than whatever the fuck Forest Whittaker was doing...its like he read the script and saw how useless and pointless his character was to the movie that he tried to make every take unusable

dude ive read three of your posts and just cant take you serious.

Its like youre trying to argue why gold is just not as good as a piece of shit.

TFA is inferior in almost all film making categories. Better editing, writing, directing, characters, plot, action, cgi. The list goes on and on.

TFA only beats rogue in dumb humor and random dumbness.

 

[Strange King]

The force awakens just took no risk at all and had an emotional can trying to live up to Darth Vader. Not to mention they already showed Ren losing

took away what was left from whatever badassness he had after revealing his ugly face

 

[Strange King]

Well yes I could feel the PC vibe about the film and its choice of actors, but it doesn't make the movie less enjoyable. I had fun watching the film and will not be nitpicky about it. Maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

Hes trolling.

Hes nit picking the font. If you guys cant tell hes trolling after that line holy shit

 

[iThrillhouse]

dude ive read three of your posts and just cant take you serious.

Its like youre trying to argue why gold is just not as good as a piece of shit.

TFA is inferior in almost all film making categories. Better editing, writing, directing, characters, plot, action, cgi. The list goes on and on.

TFA only beats rogue in dumb humor and random dumbness.

I'm literally arguing that TFA is a better movie ONLY in that they have charismatic characters with actual arcs

Learn to read


LOL I see you rated it 10/10