Roger Federer or Novak Djokovic - Who's the KING of kings in Tennis?

[SaiWa]

In terms of accumulating majors Djokovic had the massive advantage of no good players coming after him, whereas Federer had Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Wawrinika etc.

Basically men's tennis didn't produce any new, really top players for 15 years so Djokovic has had an easy run of it these last few years. Like if Andy Murray was 10 years younger he'd probably have gotten 10 slams himself.

Prime vs prime I'm taking Federer on grass 75/25, and Djoko on hard courts 60/40.

By the same token Federer had a major advantage in the early years during his prime of utter dominance. No one in that time rose up or was already there to challenge Federer. Both Nadal and Djokovic were teenagers growing into their adult bodies and needed years of seasoning to mature into their prime build. Once there Federer was the consistent 3rd out of the three in terms of results. As a huge Federer fan I should know. He'd steamroll through everybody else but lose to either Djokovic or Nadal generally speaking.

Federer retired last year and Nadal is going to retire next year. Meaning for Djokovic's entire career up until last year he had to deal with both/either Federer or Nadal. Djokovic had no massive advantage IMO.

 

[LEWIS540]

By the same token Federer had a major advantage in the early years during his prime of utter dominance. No one in that time rose up or was already there to challenge Federer. Both Nadal and Djokovic were teenagers growing into their adult bodies and needed years of seasoning to mature into their prime build. Once there Federer was the consistent 3rd out of the three in terms of results. As a huge Federer fan I should know. He'd steamroll through everybody else but lose to either Djokovic or Nadal generally speaking.

Federer retired last year and Nadal is going to retire next year. Meaning for Djokovic's entire career up until last year he had to deal with both/either Federer or Nadal. Djokovic had no massive advantage IMO.

Durrr, yet again/

 

[SaiWa]

Durrr, yet again/

You mentioned Djokovic winning 11 Grand Slams since he turned 30 (so since 2017 or 2018).
Did you also notice that he won 11 Grand Slams from 2011 to 2016? Those were prime years for the 3-headed monsters. Federer was 31/32 years old at the start of that first run.

 

[fungi]

Fucking lol at not including Nadal. People are clueless.

The order is clear.

There's a case for Fed being greater than Rafa (9 mins):


Admittedly, the video author is a Djoker fan. Still. He makes a decent case.

 

[Sweater of AV]

There's a case for Fed being greater than Rafa (9 mins):


Admittedly, the video author is a Djoker fan. Still. He makes a decent case.

Lol at actually posting that nonsense. The cherry on top is it was from yesterday and somehow you managed to run in here to post it.



Use your brain instead of watching shit-tier youtube videos by some dunce.

 

[fungi]

Lol at actually posting that nonsense. The cherry on top is it was from yesterday and somehow you managed to run in here to post it.



Use your brain instead of watching shit-tier youtube videos by some dunce.

You are one judgemental prick.
Doesn't matter when the vid was created. The dude makes a solid case for Nadal being a claycourt specialist.

Whatever.

 

[Sweater of AV]

You are one judgemental prick.
Doesn't matter when the vid was created. The dude makes a solid case.

Whatever.

No, his case is terrible. Anyone who has actually watched their careers and seen them play against each other will understand.

For fuck's sake, Nadal has literally made Roger cry like a child on every surface.

I'm a bigger fan of Roger's game than Nadal's but to act like Roger should be ranked higher is laughable.

If you want to actually use your own head and formulate an argument then go for it. I'm more than happy to see what you come up with.

 

[fungi]

No, his case is terrible. Anyone who has actually watched their careers and seen them play against each other will understand.

For fuck's sake, Nadal has literally made Roger cry like a child on every surface.

I'm a bigger fan of Roger's game than Nadal's but to act like Roger should be ranked higher is laughable.

If you want to actually use your own head and formulate an argument then go for it. I'm more than happy to see what you come up with.

Nadal kept getting injured during slams.
Never during claycourt season.

And the amount of "cortisol" shots he took during his matches, well, probably matches that of Armstrong.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Nadal kept getting injured during slams.
Never during claycourt season.

And the amount of "cortisol" shots he took during his matches, well, probably matches that of Armstrong.

He got injured so often that he won 22 slams while Federer only won 20? What's their head to head record at slams you muppet?

This is about what I expected. Stick to youtube videos.

 

[fungi]

He got injured so often that he won 22 slams while Federer only won 20? What's their head to head record at slams you muppet?

This is about what I expected.

Whatever.
Fed played most of his career with 85 sq.inch raquet. Nadal doped his ass off.
Keep counting "head-to-head".

 

[Sweater of AV]

Whatever.
Fed played most of his career with 85 sq.inch raquet. Nadal doped his ass off.
Keep counting "head-to-head".

Lol you got burned so badly that you're trying to discuss the size of their racket frames?



God damn, you're amazing. You brought up slams, not me.

Australian Open: Nadal 3-1
French Open: Nadal 6-0
Wimbledon: Federer 3-1

 

[fungi]

Lol you got burned so badly that you're trying to discuss the size of their racket frames?



God damn, you're amazing. You brought up slams, not me.

Australian Open: Nadal 3-1
French Open: Nadal 6-0
Wimbledon: Federer 3-1

Ok. Whatever.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Ok. Whatever.

Concession accepted.

 

[MM808]

Whatever.
Fed played most of his career with 85 sq.inch raquet. Nadal doped his ass off.
Keep counting "head-to-head".

Dumbest comment of the thread and that’s saying something

 

[Larzon]

Numbers aside if you watched Joker play the game and understand it at all its clear he's the best. You can argue that Fed's game is more enjoyable to watch but it's not better.

I've held this opinion for at least 5 years

 

[Madmick]

You can click on the names of the Big 3 below to see a detailed career performance breakdown, and just how far Djokovic has separated himself. Meanwhile, Nadal doesn't notch an 80% career win percentage on any surface, against all professional opponents, besides Clay. One surface pony. Such a crutch.

Djokovic
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents: 573-167 (77.4%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents off Clay: 443-118 (79.0%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents on Clay: 130-49 (72.6%)

Federer
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents: 657-219 (75.0%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents off Clay: 542-166 (76.6%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents on Clay: 115-53 (68.5%)

Nadal
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents: 577-170 (77.2%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents off Clay: 308-133 (69.8%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents on Clay: 269-39 (87.4%)

 

[Sweater of AV]

Lol at setting 80% as a magical bar like a complete dork.

Nadal
Hard: 78%
Clay: 91%
Grass: 79%

Federer
Hard: 83%
Clay: 76%
Grass: 87%

Nadal never had a percentage on ANY of clay, hard or grass below 77%. Meanwhile, Federer just repeatedly gets his ass kicked on clay with that hilarous 76%.

Oh and don't forget their H2H...

Good effort.

 

[Busgosu]

Lol at this poll
This thread is now officially the second most retarded after the "Convince me F1 drivers are athletes"

Also Alcaraz will soon make Novak irrelevant

 

[Larzon]

Lol at this poll
This thread is now officially the second most retarded after the "Convince me F1 drivers are athletes"

Also Alcaraz will soon make Novak irrelevant

Father time is undefeated but Joker just owned the kid in a slam final and he'll more than likely do it again in the next few weeks

 

[Busgosu]

Father time is undefeated but Joker just owned the kid in a slam final and he'll more than likely do it again in the next few weeks

Alcaraz was born in May 2003... I mean, same year Novak turned pro, lol

Oh, and they're 1-1 already