"Robert E. Lee Traitor to America"

[Ultrashogun]

Confed generals were badass.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Trump represents Southern values now?

Trump is extremely well liked in the South. He brought food and supplies to Baton Rouge when we got flooded.

 

[Orange Juice]

Nobody is deleting history, they are being moved to museums not taken down.

So, it's okay for, as some have said, a traitor to be in a museum but in town square it is offensive?

Also these people you are mentioning im pretty sure they are being celebrated for reasons other than their bad deeds, they are being celebrated for their tenure as presidents of the USA and other things they did for their country.

So their good can overcome the bad, correct? They can be celebrated for contributions they have made to the United States?

Robert E. Lee is being celebrated for what exactly? waging war against America in order to preserve white supremacism and slavery?

How about his mapping of the Des Moines Rapids while he served in the Army? How about his service in the Mexican-American War? How he was able to attack the Mexican Army due to them thinking places were impassable? Try reading up on Battle of Cerro Gordo and what POTUS Grant had to say about that. How about how he helped protect settlers from the Indians?

Would you be ok with muslims making a statue of Osama Bin Laden in an American city in a public place?

Pretty silly comparison. OBL was not American nor did he do anything to contribute to America. Anwar al-awlaki would of been a better comparison. Can you describe the, in your words " and other things they did for their country". What did he do for the United States?

 

[Rod1]

So, it's okay for, as some have said, a traitor to be in a museum but in town square it is offensive?



So their good can overcome the bad, correct? They can be celebrated for contributions they have made to the United States?



How about his mapping of the Des Moines Rapids while he served in the Army? How about his service in the Mexican-American War? How he was able to attack the Mexican Army due to them thinking places were impassable? Try reading up on Battle of Cerro Gordo and what POTUS Grant had to say about that. How about how he helped protect settlers from the Indians?



Pretty silly comparison. OBL was not American nor did he do anything to contribute to America. Anwar al-awlaki would of been a better comparison. Can you describe the, in your words " and other things they did for their country". What did he do for the United States?

1.- Because a museum puts things into context, its not a celebration of anyone.


2.- To an extent yes, they can be celebrated for such ordeals.


3.- Had the civil war not happened do you think they would had made such a statue in New Orleans? dont be kidding yourself. Mapping some rivers or participating in a war of conquest against a weaker unstable nation is not why these statues were built, otherwise there would be statues of more famous explorers or Polk himself, you know people that didnt commited treason and killed thousands of Americans in the process.


4.- Robert E. Lee renounced his American citizenship and went to war against America. I think thats actually worse than what Osama did.

 

[Orange Juice]

1.- Because a museum puts things into context, its not a celebration of anyone.

When was the last time you saw celebrations around that statue? It is admired, as it would be in a museum. They moved it to a museum to appease people. I don't go to Stone Mountain celebrating the confederacy but appreciating the history behind it, looking at the men who fought in that war. How dialogue was lost and how the country almost split itself in two over it. Sorry to disappoint but the KKK doesn't dress in white and hold weekly gatherings around these structures.

3.- Had the civil war not happened do you think they would had made such a statue in New Orleans? dont be kidding yourself. Mapping some rivers or participating in a war of conquest against a weaker unstable nation is not why these statues were built, otherwise there would be statues of more famous explorers or Polk himself, you know people that didnt commited treason and killed thousands of Americans in the process.

But you kid yourself by stating at fact he was fighting for white supremacy. That word gets thrown around so much it has lost its meaning. See that is what happens when the other side interjects there views.. racist, white supremacist.. fascist, bigot blah blah blah. That is literally your argument. He was an accomplished military commander before the war and during. To belittle the mans achievement to "muh white supremacy' is ignorant at best, retarded at worst.

4.- Robert E. Lee renounced his American citizenship and went to war against America. I think thats actually worse than what Osama did.

Then you're an idiot. I guess this is where our roads of thought diverge.

 

[Rod1]

When was the last time you saw celebrations around that statue? It is admired, as it would be in a museum. They moved it to a museum to appease people. I don't go to Stone Mountain celebrating the confederacy but appreciating the history behind it, looking at the men who fought in that war. How dialogue was lost and how the country almost split itself in two over it. Sorry to disappoint but the KKK doesn't dress in white and hold weekly gatherings around these structures.



But you kid yourself by stating at fact he was fighting for white supremacy. That word gets thrown around so much it has lost its meaning. See that is what happens when the other side interjects there views.. racist, white supremacist.. fascist, bigot blah blah blah. That is literally your argument. He was an accomplished military commander before the war and during. To belittle the mans achievement to "muh white supremacy' is ignorant at best, retarded at worst.



Then you're an idiot. I guess this is where our roads of thought diverge.

1.- The statue wasnt built over some historical value, a lot of these statues were built at a time where racial tensions were flaring up.

Also lol at dialogue and discordance, the Confederates broke away from the USA because they didnt won an election and Republicans were cockblocking their attempts to expand slavery towards new territories, like they did in Texas.


2.- White supremacy was written in the Confederate Constitution. Whether Lee agreed or not, he was fighting against the USA, against the US Constitution in order to establish a Constitution whose founding premise was white supremacy and the right to own black slaves.


3.- Im an idiot for stating that what Robert E. Lee did was straight up treason? Im pretty sure that if Lincoln knew what was going to happen to him and the 100 years of segregation he would had made sure to hang up all Confederate traitors for good.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

But i guess treason isnt treason if you mapped a river sometime during your lifetime.

 

[Pale Man In Black]

So was Hitler. Should we build statues of him?

Lee may not have been an advocate of slavery, but if he was succesful in his struggle then black people would have been immorally enslaved. That is nothing to celebrate or remember fondly.

The South, in my opinion, should man up and accept they were an immoral nation and be thankful that they lost that shit show of a war. It forced them to be better people.

Not interested in Godwins Law.

Robert E. Lee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than any jagoff posting their tear-stained bullshit here. There is more to the man than the fact that he led the Rebels against the Union. Read up on him (if you haven't already, that is).
He was one of the greatest generals in our history.

 

[Orange Juice]

2.- White supremacy was written in the Confederate Constitution. Whether Lee agreed or not, he was fighting against the USA, against the US Constitution in order to establish a Constitution whose founding premise was white supremacy and the right to own black slaves.

What does our Constitution say about 3/5's compromise in it? You know, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. So that makes everyone who fought for the United States a white supremacist racist huh.. Or at least until the 14 Amendment was added in 1868. You're a fool if you believe everyone believed in the same thing when they fought in that war.

3.- Im an idiot for stating that what Robert E. Lee did was straight up treason? Im pretty sure that if Lincoln knew what was going to happen to him and the 100 years of segregation he would had made sure to hang up all Confederate traitors for good.

Yes, because that isn't what you said. You said what he did was worse then OBL, Robert E. Lee did not slaughter innocent men, women and children. Also, he is pardoned by the POTUS Jackson. Clearly he wasn't that bad when a POTUS pardon's you.

 

[Rod1]

What does our Constitution say about 3/5's compromise in it? You know, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. So that makes everyone who fought for the United States a white supremacist racist huh.. Or at least until the 14 Amendment was added in 1868. You're a fool if you believe everyone believed in the same thing when they fought in that war.

Yes, because that isn't what you said. You said what he did was worse then OBL, Robert E. Lee did not slaughter innocent men, women and children. Also, he is pardoned by the POTUS Jackson. Clearly he wasn't that bad when a POTUS pardon's you.

1.- There is a reason why it was called a compromise, and no, the US Constitution never formalized white supremacy like the Confederate one. Also we are not discussing the reasons of the north, we are discussing the reasons of the Confederates and it was made pretty damn clear that the decision of the Confederates for going to war was to preserve white supremacy and slavery. And no, its not SJW crying wolf, nor even up to debate like the text of the 2nd Amendment.

They made it perfectly clear when they seceded that the reason they seceded was because of slavery and white supremacy, they put it in their Constitution to avoid having more problems further down the road.


2.- Yes, what he did was far worse than what OBL did, about 1,000,000 Americans died in that war, over what? white supremacy and slavery.


3.- He wasnt pardoned by Jackson and Robert E. Lee never got his citizenship back, he died as a non-American and a traitor. The reason why he wasnt hanged is because the North never achieved a total victory, the North simply wanted the war to get over as fast as it could.

 

[Philo-Publius]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/65883




People Visit New Orleans for the History, the heritage and the Music, take that away and what do you have?

Besides the Music:

Just a Shithole.

Don't erase your history, embrace and understand.

This sort of trend is stupid.

I agree the General Lee was a traitor, and he is not worth memorializing.

 

[Octavian]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/65883




People Visit New Orleans for the History, the heritage and the Music, take that away and what do you have?

Besides the Music:

Just a Shithole.

Don't erase your history, embrace and understand.

This sort of trend is stupid.

So - Nola is a national treasure. Seedy and super dangerous in places? Yes. Full of culture and character? Yes.

As for the confederate shit everywhere - I've never understood how or why that shit is allowed. I'm sorry but it's not only memorializing a treasonous state and its leadership but it's also generally celebrating a super embarrassing history in slavery.

 

[Orange Juice]

1.- There is a reason why it was called a compromise, and no, the US Constitution never formalized white supremacy like the Confederate one. Also we are not discussing the reasons of the north, we are discussing the reasons of the Confederates and it was made pretty damn clear that the decision of the Confederates for going to war was to preserve white supremacy and slavery. And no, its not SJW crying wolf, nor even up to debate like the text of the 2nd Amendment.

They made it perfectly clear when they seceded that the reason they seceded was because of slavery and white supremacy, they put it in their Constitution to avoid having more problems further down the road.

...right. So a compromise is still not being complicit. Even Lincoln wasn't against slavery until he saw it favored the North to do so see, Abraham Lincoln's Letter to Horace Greeley.

2.- Yes, what he did was far worse than what OBL did, about 1,000,000 Americans died in that war, over what? white supremacy and slavery.

Robert E. Lee is responsible for all 1,000,000. Sure is a lot of responsibility placed on his shoulders.

3.- He wasnt pardoned by Jackson and Robert E. Lee never got his citizenship back, he died as a non-American and a traitor. The reason why he wasnt hanged is because the North never achieved a total victory, the North simply wanted the war to get over as fast as it could.

You are correct, it was Gerald Ford. http://www.politico.com/story/2010/07/house-restores-citizenship-to-robert-e-lee-july-22-1975-040085

Anyways, as entertaining as it's been talking to you about this, comparing OBL to Robert E. Lee is pretty distasteful and I'm not interested in continuing the conversation. You believe him to be a traitor, you have that right to that opinion. Good day to you sir.

 

[Supereem]

Anyways, as entertaining as it's been talking to you about this, comparing OBL to Robert E. Lee is pretty distasteful and I'm not interested in continuing the conversation. You believe him to be a traitor, you have that right to that opinion. Good day to you sir.

Rod1 beat you harder than the Confederates beat their slaves.

 

[Supereem]

Not interested in Godwins Law.

Robert E. Lee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than any jagoff posting their tear-stained bullshit here. There is more to the man than the fact that he led the Rebels against the Union. Read up on him (if you haven't already, that is).
He was one of the greatest generals in our history.

And also a rebel that tried to destroy the United States in favour of a state that was fighting to enslave black people.

No one here has actually properly refuted this point and given any reasonable justification as to why statues of him should exist in the US. Just a bunch of red necks accusing people of not understanding their shitty history.

 

[Rod1]

...right. So a compromise is still not being complicit. Even Lincoln wasn't against slavery until he saw it favored the North to do so see, Abraham Lincoln's Letter to Horace Greeley.



Robert E. Lee is responsible for all 1,000,000. Sure is a lot of responsibility placed on his shoulders.



You are correct, it was Gerald Ford. http://www.politico.com/story/2010/07/house-restores-citizenship-to-robert-e-lee-july-22-1975-040085

Anyways, as entertaining as it's been talking to you about this, comparing OBL to Robert E. Lee is pretty distasteful and I'm not interested in continuing the conversation. You believe him to be a traitor, you have that right to that opinion. Good day to you sir.

1.- Complicit how? America wasnt founded on the belief that God made the white man was superior and the black man was only fit for slavery.

Also i love this revisionist non-sense, we know that Confederates seceded because of slavery, they claimed that in order to preserve such divine institution, they needed to abandon the US and its ideals because as Confederates put it, the US Constitution was flawed because all men were equal under the law in it. So they created their own Constitution based upon slavery.

So why did they needed to create their own country if Lincoln never wanted to end slavery in the first place? it was all a bad misunderstanding that took the lives of a million Americans?


2.- How many Americans did Bin Laden personally killed? i bet none.


3.- Gerald Ford over 100 years later an in order to please southeners, the people who did died, the people who saw the suffering of the civil war, the massive amount of amputees and misery caused by the belief that slavery was a divine mission, these people never gave Lee his citizenship. Lee and Davis died as non-Americans.

 

[Orange Juice]

Rod1 beat you harder than the Confederates beat their slaves.

Lol well dayum